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Yeah, No.
If you can’t admit what Ukraine and the dnc did, there’s no reason to discuss. It’s a fact.
That's ridiculous.
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Rudy Giuliani said his controversial work with Ukraine -- now at the center of the House impeachment probe -- was done “solely as a defense attorney” for President Donald Trump, undercutting the administration’s claims that the former mayor was advancing U.S. foreign policy.
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The investigation I conducted concerning 2016 Ukrainian collusion and corruption, was done solely as a defense attorney to defend my client against false charges, that kept changing as one after another were disproven.
Giuliani Says Ukraine Efforts ‘Solely’ for Trump’s Legal Defense
Just look and see every time somebody clearifies that Trump did break the law, his oath and the constitution, somebody who barely ever comments here, comes in with a bogus claim again.
Either they dont read the complete topic before they post or they are just here to sow doubt or chaos.
There is probably a dozen or so posts that describes perfectly what he has done..
JoeBlow tuns up and claims: NO LAWS BROKEN. WHICHHUNT. CONSTITUTION FOLLOWED.
As I said, I was part of the planning and casework process. I know all about it. I work foreign aid distribution on an annual basis. Whatever you want to believe, this was HIGHLY irregular.
It's really quite impressive how you homed in on the word "beforehand" to spin that the funds were released early. Please. We all know that under normal circumstances, funds are released for use on October 1st of any fiscal year for the following 30 September obligation. Ask any government agency how they'd do with getting stuff on contract if they had 3 weeks remaining in the fiscal year to do their business.
If you think it's simple or effective, you only solidify that you probably have never held a real job in your life, much less one depending or using appropriated funds. There is nothing but puppet propaganda in your post on this.
What`s your opinion on how many days before you the Sept 1st deadline that funds should be released? If three weeks before the deadline is not early enough, should a president be impeached for subjecting federal workers to that inconvenience?
Q: Okay. At any point in time, from the moment that you walked into the SCIF to anytime in history, has Mr. Duffey even provided to you a reason why the President wanted to place a hold on security assistance?
A: I recall in early September an email that attributed the hold to the President’s concern about other countries not contributing more to Ukraine.
And if you read thru the subsequent pages, it goes into questioning about those details.
So now we have testimony about why aid wasn't given. It wasn't Biden. There's nothing impeachable here.
"Early September" was weeks after Trump was reportedly briefed by WH lawyers about the whistle-blower complaint.
What`s your opinion on how many days before you the Sept 1st deadline that funds should be released? If three weeks before the deadline is not early enough, should a president be impeached for subjecting federal workers to that inconvenience?
Release of funds on September 11th is not "early" as the OP tried to say. So don't go trying to spin for him/her some more. Can we stick the original LIE here?
The funds were ready for release in the June/July timeframe. They were appropriated, they were marked for certain procurements, they were THERE. Congress appropriated them as is their duty. Funds should be released when they are available. So people, including the private companies that are fulfilling the orders, don't have to spend extra money or go into administrative heroics to get the promised goods and services delivered to comply with Security Assistance.
And why were these funds delayed? Not for any U.S. benefit. It was for benefit of ONE MAN.
No one is saying impeachment is because federal workers or private companies were inconvenienced because they only had a couple of weeks to do the procurements. Come on, you aren't that silly are you? Or are you trying another false equivalency shift here.
Release of funds on September 11th is not "early" as the OP tried to say. So don't go trying to spin for him/her some more. Can we stick the original LIE here?
The funds were ready for release in the June/July timeframe. They were appropriated, they were marked for certain procurements, they were THERE. Congress appropriated them as is their duty. Funds should be released when they are available. So people, including the private companies that are fulfilling the orders, don't have to spend extra money or go into administrative heroics to get the promised goods and services delivered to comply with Security Assistance.
And why were these funds delayed? Not for any U.S. benefit. It was for benefit of ONE MAN.
No one is saying impeachment is because federal workers or private companies were inconvenienced because they only had a couple of weeks to do the procurements. Come on, you aren't that silly are you? Or are you trying another false equivalency shift here.
Apparently this president would like to gain the kind of legal immunity more commonly associated with despots than with elected officials.
Q: Okay. At any point in time, from the moment that you walked into the SCIF to anytime in history, has Mr. Duffey even provided to you a reason why the President wanted to place a hold on security assistance?
A: I recall in early September an email that attributed the hold to the President’s concern about other countries not contributing more to Ukraine.
And if you read thru the subsequent pages, it goes into questioning about those details.
So now we have testimony about why aid wasn't given. It wasn't Biden. There's nothing impeachable here.
Trump can testify under oath about this and clear the entire issue up once and for all!
There was no law broken and no violation of the constitution. If there were you’d be able to name and cite those violations, but you cannot.
They think that if they repeat their conspiracy theories enough that they can make them come true.
Trump can get behind the wheel of a car, and these people will convince themselves that he wnats to run people over. Their problem is they only ever assume the very worst intensions by Trump.
The entire first three years of his presidency illustrates this. e endured that ignorant Trump-Russian collusion investigatin, for no other reason than the same exact people had convinced themselves that Trump commited treason by colluding with Russians. This latest Uraine conspiracy nonsense is just the new, new insanity from these people.
I posted that Aug 5th link from the Washington Post, whwich informed us that Trump was withholding funds from a great many foreign countries and institutions as a partof a review. It was not just being withheld from Uraine. But even that information gets ignored, or distored to fit their tightly clenched narrative.
We even heard during the testimony that delaying of aid was perfectly legal:
Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, one of the key witnesses against Mr. Trump, stunned lawmakers when he revealed that the National Security Council had ruled Mr. Trump’s hold legal.
“There was opinion rendered that it was legal to put the hold,” he said.
“It was, excuse me?” blurted out Rep. Mike Quigley, Illinois Democrat.
“There was an opinion, legal opinion, rendered that the hold was legal,” Col. Vindman repeated.
Mr. Quigley pressed him further: “On the purely legal point of view?”
“Correct,” Col. Vindman said.
Last edited by Wapasha; 11-28-2019 at 10:38 AM..
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