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Old 12-08-2019, 01:27 PM
 
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There is not a world wide agreement on the cause ... evolution or man?

Deniers are on stage, to keep a tax from being implemented, because of evolution. (imo)

But if you are a private company wanting to spend your money on the manufacturing of solar panels, wind turbans and other renewable energies, knock yourself out... government should not subsidize your business though ... evolution will happen regardless.

And the science is all over the map, but to look out around the world and not see a change in atmospheric disturbances
I forgot this tidbit of news:
The US is relocating an entire town because of climate change. And this is just the beginning

How to Save a Town From Rising Waters


It is a global situation which has increased the numbers of migrants due to the fact they have lost their homes, due to the rise in the oceans ...
The oceans have risen many times in the past. Did you know that Kansas was once an ocean?
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Old 12-08-2019, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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The oceans have risen many times in the past. Did you know that Kansas was once an ocean?

If the Globalist Elite really believed their man made climate change hoax and scam, Obama and others wouldn't be buying ocean front properties on ISLANDS.
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Old 12-08-2019, 01:58 PM
 
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If the Globalist Elite really believed their man made climate change hoax and scam, Obama and others wouldn't be buying ocean front properties on ISLANDS.



Pure unadulterated logic. Heavens to Betsy - what will they say when faced with this fact.
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Old 12-08-2019, 02:04 PM
 
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The oceans have risen many times in the past. Did you know that Kansas was once an ocean?
more than that....the oldest tide gauges say sea level rise has been exactly the same since the 1700's

Global warming didn't cause the first 150 years of sea level rise....

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It is a global situation which has increased the numbers of migrants due to the fact they have lost their homes, due to the rise in the oceans ...
Ellis....please tell me even one migrant that has lost their home because of 9 inchs of sea level rise in the past 100 years

..even if they lived there for 50 years...they only saw a little over 4 inchs

and if they lived there for 20 years...they saw 2 inchs of sea level rise

...9 inchs in 100 years...is 1 cement block and a mortar joint
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Old 12-08-2019, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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...doesn't that tell you it's a scam?

unless you think China and the vast majority of countries....developing...are suicidal
No. It was a smaller and less complicated problem, so it was easier to get the world united in solving it.

What you think is a scam is the carbon transfer scheme.

It wasn't a scam, but it was far too grandiose to ever work. Global warming could be modified by humans, but can only be achieved by many different, smaller plans that work the best for single nations more than groups of nations.
Trying to get the entire planet to agree on only one correction program is impossible.

Once those smaller plans are developed, there may be some that other nations can use very well, but there will never be one simple big plan that will work. That was carbon transfer's greatest failure.

For sure, some of the small plans will fail too, so there must be many different ones.
It always takes more than one wild dog to bring down the buffalo. The human pack is a lot smarter than any pack of wild dogs. One member makes many mistakes, but the pack makes far fewer.

Nothing can begin until everyone agrees the problem exists. Almost all of the scientific evidence says it does, but science has little to say about the ways to slow global warming until everyone agrees it is happening to them just as much as some other place on the planet.

It's only then, when everyone is saying the climate has changed, that ways will be found to slow the rate of change.

Fighting global warming is much like fighting cancer.
A person might not feel sick, but if they deny they have cancer, the longer they wait to see if they are going to feel sick the worse the cancer will be when it's finally begun to be treated.

When a person who still feels healthy begins cancer treatment, the odds are greater the cancer will be slowed. There's never a guarantee that cancer will be stopped, nor a guarantee that it won't return once its stopped once.

So, like cancer, there's no guarantee we will be able to stop the global warming.
But if we can slow it, then maybe we will have time to find better ways, and slow it even more. In time. Nothing is going to happen quickly.

If nothing it attempted, then nothing has any assurance of working.

Trying to find a sure-fire, 100% certain way to stop global warming is like searching for a miracle cure for cancer.
Waste time and money, and walk around feeling OK with cancer growing inside, unchecked. Pray for a cure, and then wait around for God to answer the prayers.

By the time the miracle cure obviously wasn't miraculous, the person is 3 steps from the graveyard with nothing that can be done to save him.

Cancer only kills one person at a time. Global warming will kill dozens, then hundreds, then thousands, then millions of us all at once.

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Old 12-08-2019, 02:26 PM
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Location: Victoria, BC.
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What is it going to take for you to understand the real cause of climate change and come to terms with it? It is undeniable.
So tell me... What do you think is the real cause of climate change since it's not the sun entering a minimal phase, nor the shifting of the magnetic poles?
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Old 12-08-2019, 02:28 PM
 
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...a scam is when you say something is dangerous..going to destroy the world

declare the vast majority of countries as "developing"....and they get to increase their emissions because they have more people (per capita)...or make less money (per GDP)

..and the "developed" world has to send them money to mitigate it

no one said China could continue to make AC's with freon....not even China
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Old 12-08-2019, 02:34 PM
 
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sun is going through a natural phase of solar minimums and the earths poles are shifting. nothing remains constant. where is that in the climate science being presented? have to scare people to tax them more - control them more. that is what it's all about.
I think they want to change the nature of the sun.
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Old 12-08-2019, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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So tell me... What do you think is the real cause of climate change since it's not the sun entering a minimal phase, nor the shifting of the magnetic poles?
Well, you asked for it and now I'm sure you'll get it-Plenty of inane responses from armchair experts in the field of climate change denial.

Here's some recent, local, and bad news on this front: https://www.npr.org/2019/12/08/78563...EHKUJevcGBC5GA
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Old 12-08-2019, 03:00 PM
 
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NPR > "In an unprecedented response to historically low numbers of Pacific cod, the federal cod fishery in the Gulf of Alaska is closing for the 2020 season."

NPR didn't report that the rest of the cod fisheries are above target....

NOAA > "The Bering Sea stock is above target population level. "
"The Gulf of Alaska stock is below target level and fishing rate promotes population growth"
"Estimated biomass has fluctuated over the past few decades; the stock increased rapidly, peaked in the 1980s, then declined slightly and stabilized."

https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/species/pacific-cod


January 31, 2019
Alaska cod: Under-60s land 5 million pounds in 10 days

Alaska’s inshore Pacific cod fishery opened Jan. 19 in Area O, near Dutch Harbor. As of Tuesday, Jan. 29, the record 36 participating pot boats had made 74 landings, tallying 5.1 million pounds.

https://www.nationalfisherman.com/al...in-first-week/
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