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Old 12-12-2019, 09:17 PM
 
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I suspect that if you could find enough takers, you'd be willing to start up that horrible war all over again.
It was the Northern federal government that started the war. I wished they would've been more patient and worked it out otherwise. If people are saying a government is being too overbearing and unresponsive it should listen or let the people go independently.

 
Old 12-12-2019, 09:32 PM
 
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It was the Northern federal government that started the war.
Yeah, the bastards deliberately maneuvered Fort Sumter to make it intercept the trajectory of peaceful Southern cannon balls.
 
Old 12-12-2019, 09:38 PM
 
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Yeah, the bastards deliberately maneuvered Fort Sumter to make it intercept the trajectory of peaceful Southern cannon balls.
Just like with the Revolution who fired the first shot is kind of irrelevant. Britain still is the one that pressed or started the war.
 
Old 12-12-2019, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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It was the Northern federal government that started the war. I wished they would've been more patient and worked it out otherwise. If people are saying a government is being too overbearing and unresponsive it should listen or let the people go independently.
Boy, that's some serious revisionism going on here.
 
Old 12-12-2019, 09:45 PM
 
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Boy, that's some serious revisionism going on here.
Not revisionist at all. The South felt completely picked on and just wanted independence and certainly would've preferred to not have to go to war they knew would be hard to win.
 
Old 12-12-2019, 09:52 PM
 
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Not revisionist at all. The South felt completely picked on and just wanted independence and certainly would've preferred to not have to go to war they knew would be hard to win.
Oh gawd. The old myth of the noble lost cause. You're quite impervious to reason and logic in this case.

That pretty much explains your reverence for the Confederacy, and your hostility to civil rights legislation. Gotcha.
 
Old 12-12-2019, 09:54 PM
 
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Oh gawd. The old myth of the noble lost cause. You're quite impervious to reason and logic in this case.
But that's the way they felt at the time. It's not for me or anyone to say today how they should've felt then.
 
Old 12-12-2019, 10:00 PM
 
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Not revisionist at all. The South felt completely picked on and just wanted independence and certainly would've preferred to not have to go to war they knew would be hard to win.
Well, the South brought it on itself. The South felt holding on to slavery was more important than anything else. It wanted secession so badly because it wanted to keep slavery. The South felt picked on because it felt owning people was more important that being part of the USA.
 
Old 12-12-2019, 10:02 PM
 
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But that's the way they felt at the time. It's not for me or anyone to say today how they should've felt then.
Yep. An apologist for the lost cause. Why am I not surprised?
 
Old 12-12-2019, 10:04 PM
 
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If I took a shot of whiskey every time you typed "leftist" I'd be dead of alcohol poisoning just reading this thread

Or "Open borders" --- you'd be dead even faster.
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