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Did the phone call transcript say that? No it did not.
Did Ukraine make such an announcement?. No they did not.
We have never gotten the whole transcript. Trump is hiding it, he's hiding the witnesses that would be able to testify to it and he's hiding other documents that have been requested and that are relevant.
Not the actions of an innocent man.
A failed effort at foreign intervention of a US election doesn't negate the crime.
Did the phone call transcript say that? No it did not.
Did Ukraine make such an announcement?. No they did not.
The phone call transcript tells us that Trump asked for a FAVOR. And asked the Ukrainian President to meet with Giuliani. Giuliani does not hold a position with the American government. He is the President's personal attorney, reportedly unpaid. That makes the FAVOR a PERSONAL FAVOR, not a diplomatic favor. And the FAVOR was to dirty Presidential candidate Biden, a political rival of President Trump's.
The fact that Ukraine didn't make such an announcement is irrelevant. When the Lindbergh's baby was kidnapped, and the Lindbergh's paid ransom for the baby's safe return, the fact that the baby wasn't safely returned does not mean there was no quid pro quo. Quid pro quo isn't a crime in itself, it is just Latin for "exchange". President Trump tried to pressure a foreign government into doing his dirty work for him. And that is an abuse of power.
The phone call transcript tells us that Trump asked for a FAVOR. And asked the Ukrainian President to meet with Giuliani. Giuliani does not hold a position with the American government. He is the President's personal attorney, reportedly unpaid. That makes the FAVOR a PERSONAL FAVOR, not a diplomatic favor. And the FAVOR was to dirty Presidential candidate Biden, a political rival of President Trump's.
The fact that Ukraine didn't make such an announcement is irrelevant. When the Lindbergh's baby was kidnapped, and the Lindbergh's paid ransom for the baby's safe return, the fact that the baby wasn't safely returned does not mean there was no quid pro quo. Quid pro quo isn't a crime in itself, it is just Latin for "exchange". President Trump tried to pressure a foreign government into doing his dirty work for him. And that is an abuse of power.
Does Joe Bidens status as Trumps political rival grant him immunity from prosecution or investigation for corruption?
If Ukraine investigates Biden and finds he acted against the interests of the American people, then Trump was speaking on behalf of the people. Indeed Trump said do US a favor. Not do ME a favor.
We have never gotten the whole transcript. Trump is hiding it, he's hiding the witnesses that would be able to testify to it and he's hiding other documents that have been requested and that are relevant.
Not the actions of an innocent man.
A failed effort at foreign intervention of a US election doesn't negate the crime.
You cannot build a case on imaginary evidence you think someone is hiding.
The white house is not required to produce documents it is not legally compelled to, to prove Trumps innocence.
This impeachment is split directly on party lines. It has no legitimacy.
Does Joe Bidens status as Trumps political rival grant him immunity from prosecution or investigation for corruption?
If Ukraine investigates Biden and finds he acted against the interests of the American people, then Trump was speaking on behalf of the people. Indeed Trump said do US a favor. Not do ME a favor.
In what way does Joe Biden fall under the jurisdiction of Ukrainian law enforcement?
We have never gotten the whole transcript. Trump is hiding it, he's hiding the witnesses that would be able to testify to it and he's hiding other documents that have been requested and that are relevant.
Not the actions of an innocent man.
A failed effort at foreign intervention of a US election doesn't negate the crime.
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The phone call transcript tells us that Trump asked for a FAVOR. And asked the Ukrainian President to meet with Giuliani. Giuliani does not hold a position with the American government. He is the President's personal attorney, reportedly unpaid. That makes the FAVOR a PERSONAL FAVOR, not a diplomatic favor. And the FAVOR was to dirty Presidential candidate Biden, a political rival of President Trump's.
The fact that Ukraine didn't make such an announcement is irrelevant. When the Lindbergh's baby was kidnapped, and the Lindbergh's paid ransom for the baby's safe return, the fact that the baby wasn't safely returned does not mean there was no quid pro quo. Quid pro quo isn't a crime in itself, it is just Latin for "exchange". President Trump tried to pressure a foreign government into doing his dirty work for him. And that is an abuse of power.
IIRC Ukraine didnt even know aid was being withheld and legitimate concerns existed for withholding it.
Sondlends testimony of pro quid were based upon assumptions and hearsay, his only conversation with Trump was that Trump said he wanted nothing.
Does Joe Bidens status as Trumps political rival grant him immunity from prosecution or investigation for corruption?
If Ukraine investigates Biden and finds he acted against the interests of the American people, then Trump was speaking on behalf of the people. Indeed Trump said do US a favor. Not do ME a favor.
No, Biden isn't immune from anything. President Trump wants to investigate Biden, he should go ahead and do so. There is no reason to ask Ukraine for any favors. President Trump has the FBI and the DOJ available to him. Why didn't he initiate such an investigation? Maybe he didn't want the appearance that he was using his office to dirty his political opponents? So he thought he'd get another country to do his dirty work? Tsk-tsk. That's abuse of power.
And Ukraine isn't going to investigate Biden for acting against the interests of the American people. Ukraine isn't interested in "the interests of the American people". They don't care. Ukraine has no reason to investigate the Bidens. They might have an interest in investigating Burisma. But Hunter Biden wasn't making any decisions for Burisma. He wasn't bribing or committing any corrupt acts.
An announcement of an investigation (which several people in the State Department testified, under oath, that Trump was pushing for) didn't serve US interests in any way, shape or form. It served Trump's interests. And Giuliani's involvement underscores that this was personal business for Trump. Not American business. PERSONAL business. Giuliani isn't associated with the US government, he's not acting on behalf of the US government, he's acting on behalf of Trump, the person. Abuse of power.
You cannot build a case on imaginary evidence you think someone is hiding.
The white house is not required to produce documents it is not legally compelled to, to prove Trumps innocence.
This impeachment is split directly on party lines. It has no legitimacy.
Trump's argument is that he cannot be legally compelled. That he is above the law. Don't you find that a little disturbing?
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