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“No one is above the law” says the party who supports giving illegals drivers licenses, totally ignoring federal immigration laws, letting convicts out of prison, decriminalizing most misdemeanors, a party that is regularly found guilty of corruption at the state and local levels. These people support breaking the law when it favors them.
It shall be unlawful for-
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
...
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
The fact that the exchange didn't occur doesn't make (2) void. The law was still broken.
Without this violation, the impeachment doesn't happen.
That didnt happen indeed.
There is zero evidence Trump tried to make that happen.
There is zero evidence that was his intention.
There is zero evidence anything of value was solicited or exchanged.
Why is article 1 abuse of power and not what you specify?
He held up Congress-mandated and DOD-approved aid in order to have Ukraine dig up dirt on a political opponent. You can't do that as a president. Has nothing to do with his policies and everything to do with his trying to get a favor in order to help himself in 2020. Don't know how many more times we're going to have to repeat that, but my guess is this won't be the last.
These are not laws being broken.
Holding up aid. Not unlawful.
Having a country look into possible corruption. Not unlawful.
He held up Congress-mandated and DOD-approved aid in order to have Ukraine dig up dirt on a political opponent. You can't do that as a president. Has nothing to do with his policies and everything to do with his trying to get a favor in order to help himself in 2020. Don't know how many more times we're going to have to repeat that, but my guess is this won't be the last.
That’s not what the evidence showed happened, you’re just repeating dem talking points. He asked for 2016 election meddling and Burisma to be investigated. What do either of those have to do with Joe Biden and the 2020 campaign?
Riiight....even though Trump keeps showing this pattern of negligence and disregard for rules his whole life....but it’s the Democrats losing it. Okaaaay.
Doesnt address the issue... you cant impeach him for breaking rules you fail to specify or he didnt actually break.
Specifically some of you have tried to provide actual codes he violated, I am aware of this.
But his actions fell far short of violating those codes when legal experts debated this in the house. They didnt make it into the articles.
So we are left with abuse of power, something that is not a crime and open to broad interpretation.
Yet the constitution required high crimes and misdeneanors.
Why are democrats making these conflicting arguments?
Because they dont legally have a case.
"When the facts are on your side, you argue the facts. When the law is on your side, you argue the law. When you have neither, you pound the table and yell a lot."
Seems to me Rep. Al Greens poster and Adam Schiffs "parody" of the phone call transcript are passive agressive forms of pounding on the table.
Is it just me or am I hearing a bizarrely conflicting message?
On a side note Rep. Al Green from Texas had a poster of a crying baby, presumably the offspring of illegal aliens, placed next to him during his remarks.
What article of impeachment was that related to? Doesnt it make this perfectly clear that this is not about alleged high crimes and misdemeanors, but dislike of the President and his policies?
I just heard a R Representative complain that the decision to impeach was reached in only a few days. Kinda in conflict with "we've been doing this for three years"....
They will throw anything at the wall to see if it sticks, and why wouldn't they, look how much their base laps it up....
I just heard a R Representative complain that the decision to impeach was reached in only a few days. Kinda in conflict with "we've been doing this for three years"....
They will throw anything at the wall to see if it sticks, and why wouldn't they, look how much their base laps it up....
You can ridicule "his base" as some imaginary caricature of stupid people you can take cheap shots at.
However in this forum there are a number of us who will be happy to provide real replies to your talking points. You will find we dont "lap things up".
There is no conflict in the points you mention. They have been long bent on impeachment.
Once the proceedings started they have tried to expedite them to prevent due process, and the brevity shows their minds were made up.
The idea that the President needs to have broken a codified statute in order to be impeached is foolish. The USC did not even exist at the time the Constitution was drafted. High crimes and misdemeanors were understood at the time to devolve from the common law which included many different more "general" crimes.
Of course, originalist Republicans will suddenly selectively forget their originalist beliefs...
I just heard a R Representative complain that the decision to impeach was reached in only a few days. Kinda in conflict with "we've been doing this for three years"....
They will throw anything at the wall to see if it sticks, and why wouldn't they, look how much their base laps it up....
I'm more concerned about the other side.....trying to impeach....and decision to formally go ahead...are not the same thing
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