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It is neither pointless, nor a mistake.
Sometimes you have to follow your conscience and gut and do what you feel is the right thing to do.
Consequences, good or bad, be damned.
Sometimes, the 'right' thing to do, isn't the 'easy' thing to do...nor the most rewarding...sometimes it isn't even the smartest thing to do....but you have to do it because you have an obligation to do so.
When you take a solemn oath to protect the Constitution and the Republic against enemies or misdeeds, either foreign or domestic, then it is imperative that you take that oath and obligation seriously and with the utmost sobriety and Conviction.
I would have every expectation that a Republican lead House of Representatives, would do exactly the same if it were a Democratic President following the same path, that this President has taken. Our Democracy demands and depends upon it.
Sometimes the path you take is out a Responsibility and Honor and Love for your country and respect for the Constitution.
And you do it, even when it is not Politically expedient to do so, even when you will be reviled and attacked, verbally abused
and berated.
Sometimes you do what is right. Even when it is hard.
Republicans should have done what was right during Obama's tenure....namely
Why wasn't Obama impeached for the egregious violation of our Constitution...,
1 Seven cases in which Obama has “amended” Obamacare without legislative action, thereby usurping the powers reserved to Congress by Article 1 of the Constitution
2 Dereliction of the duties of commander in chief, including in response to the Benghazi terrorist attacks of 9-11-2012 and in enabling Iran to gain nuclear weapons while vowing to prevent it;
3 Fraud on the American people in undertaking the Libyan war and in trumping up the phony argument that the obscure “Innocence of Muslims” video caused the Benghazi attacks;
Don't forget Op Fast and Furious---the cartels now are stronger than ever because of weapons sold by Obama
The Dims keep saying no one is above the law..but yet they IGNORE the millions of illegal immigrants that crosses our borders...bunch of hypocrites!
Republicans should have done what was right during Obama's tenure....namely
Why wasn't Obama impeached for the egregious violation of our Constitution...,
1 Seven cases in which Obama has “amended” Obamacare without legislative action, thereby usurping the powers reserved to Congress by Article 1 of the Constitution
2 Dereliction of the duties of commander in chief, including in response to the Benghazi terrorist attacks of 9-11-2012 and in enabling Iran to gain nuclear weapons while vowing to prevent it;
3 Fraud on the American people in undertaking the Libyan war and in trumping up the phony argument that the obscure “Innocence of Muslims” video caused the Benghazi attacks;
Don't forget Op Fast and Furious---the cartels now are stronger than ever because of weapons sold by Obama
The Dims keep saying no one is above the law..but yet they IGNORE the millions of illegal immigrants that crosses our borders...bunch of hypocrites!
Wrong, Republicans shouldnt stoop so low like Democrats. They shouldnt use impeachment as a toy. Democrats I think will be punished by voters for this. The last thing Republicans should do is copy the Democrats childish nonesense behavior!
On your honor, Citydata friends, Dems only in the poll.
Now that it has more or less been done, with Pelosi openly afraid to send the articles over, do you realize what you have lost on this?
1) You have lost a United States Representative. That is a fact, and they don't grow on trees. Now the Republicans need 18, rather than 19 wins to get the House back.
2) It is inarguable that the demonstrated bi-partisanship is with the republicans, who picked up 2-3 "No" votes on impeachment. They also expect to pick up a Senator or two if there actually is a trial.
3) You have unarguably caused a Republican donation typhoon, with the GOP gaining 600,000 new donors. This is awful for you, as the GOP and Trump are already outraising the DNC about a hundred to one, with tens of millions already spent on election-day infrastructure.
4) Given that no new evidence will be allowed, there is virtually no chance whatsoever of Trump being removed.
5) As it stands, there will be no Republican defections in the Senate, not even Snow, Collins, Murkoskwi, or Pierre Delecto.
6) Very few people doubt that this is unpopular in the swing states, especially the critical Midwest.
7) Arguably it is unpopular overall. There continue to be different poll results, with the Realclear average being a net .8 "No."
8) Arguably it has helped Trump's favorables, as they are a bit higher than when this started.
9) Not sending the articles is not only a bad look, it is is comically incompetent.The constitution says that once there is a vote in the House, the Senate runs the trial. There is no mention of articles being sent, managers being chosen, etc. This means one of two things: A) He hasn't actually been impeached, or B) The Senate can run the trial any time, whether Pelosi is ready or not. There is no scenario under which this was a winning idea.
So, the question is, do you get that this was incompetently handled from the start, and VASTLY helps Trump more than it hurts him? Or are you clinging to the delusion that this is all going to turn out all right for you?
Dems only please in the vote, although any comments welcome.
1, 3, 6, 7, 8. You guys have been bleeding seats and defections for the last 3 years over how corrupt and **** poor Trump is. Don't tell us to be worried bc we lost 3 Representatives on Trump counties. You've lost seats that have historically been won by Republicans, but Trump is so ridiculously toxic that they're open to Democrats. The numbers who support impeachment keeps growing, and that's not counting people who think Trump should be voted out, not impeached.
2, 4, 5. Bi-partisanship doesn't mean squat anymore when one side is transparently putting party over country. You act like people can't tell Republicans would have voted to impeach Obama under these very same circumstances. Republicans have repeatedly shown they don't care about fair play, only winning, and people know it.
9. Most of you don't even understand what impeachment is, so stop acting like this part of the process is influencing anything. The only thing that's coming across is Democrats are demanding a fair and impartial trial, and Republicans are saying they won't do it. Who do you really think it's coming out looking like POS to the generic voters?
It is neither pointless, nor a mistake.
Sometimes you have to follow your conscience and gut and do what you feel is the right thing to do.
Consequences, good or bad, be damned.
Sometimes, the 'right' thing to do, isn't the 'easy' thing to do...nor the most rewarding...sometimes it isn't even the smartest thing to do....but you have to do it because you have an obligation to do so.
When you take a solemn oath to protect the Constitution and the Republic against enemies or misdeeds, either foreign or domestic, then it is imperative that you take that oath and obligation seriously and with the utmost sobriety and Conviction.
I would have every expectation that a Republican lead House of Representatives, would do exactly the same if it were a Democratic President following the same path, that this President has taken. Our Democracy demands and depends upon it.
Sometimes the path you take is out a Responsibility and Honor and Love for your country and respect for the Constitution.
And you do it, even when it is not Politically expedient to do so, even when you will be reviled and attacked, verbally abused
and berated.
Sometimes you do what is right. Even when it is hard.
Those are all very noble sentiments and I agree with them.
But I can't help but wonder, do you actually believe that is what the Democrats have done?
Despite so much evidence that it has been nothing to do with protecting the constitution and defending their oath. Do you really think they did it because they thought it was the right thing to do, or do you think they thought it would be the most politically beneficial thing for them to do?
Republicans should have done what was right during Obama's tenure....namely
Why wasn't Obama impeached for the egregious violation of our Constitution...,
1 Seven cases in which Obama has “amended” Obamacare without legislative action, thereby usurping the powers reserved to Congress by Article 1 of the Constitution
2 Dereliction of the duties of commander in chief, including in response to the Benghazi terrorist attacks of 9-11-2012 and in enabling Iran to gain nuclear weapons while vowing to prevent it;
3 Fraud on the American people in undertaking the Libyan war and in trumping up the phony argument that the obscure “Innocence of Muslims” video caused the Benghazi attacks;
Don't forget Op Fast and Furious---the cartels now are stronger than ever because of weapons sold by Obama
The Dims keep saying no one is above the law..but yet they IGNORE the millions of illegal immigrants that crosses our borders...bunch of hypocrites!
Yes and all while claiming that they are doing the “right thing.” Comical if it weren’t so sad.
Those are all very noble sentiments and I agree with them.
But I can't help but wonder, do you actually believe that is what the Democrats have done?
Despite so much evidence that it has been nothing to do with protecting the constitution and defending their oath. Do you really think they did it because they thought it was the right thing to do, or do you think they thought it would be the most politically beneficial thing for them to do?
Yes, I do believe that is what the Democrats have done and why they did it. Actually, this will probably hurt them(the Democrats) in the upcoming election, not help them them. Pelosi even mentioned that before. But yet, this had to be done.
And no matter what Trump did...even shooting someone on Fifth Avenue, and confess to it on Television....I don't think the Republican Senate would ever vote to convict him.
But, you can't just ignore this. What he did was wrong. You have to put the Country and the constitution before your own Political party or Agenda.
When people put their own Political parties or ideas above the laws of our country and Constitution in could be deadly and devastating to our Republic.
Yes, I do believe that is what the Democrats have done and why they did it. Actually, this will probably hurt them(the Democrats) in the upcoming election, not help them them. Pelosi even mentioned that before. But yet, this had to be done.
And no matter what Trump did...even shooting someone on Fifth Avenue, and confess to it on Television....I don't think the Republican Senate would ever vote to convict him.
But, you can't just ignore this. What he did was wrong. You have to put the Country and the constitution before your own Political party or Agenda.
When people put their own Political parties or ideas above the laws of our country and Constitution in could be deadly and devastating to our Republic.
Oh it will definitely hurt them, but I don't think that was their assessment at the start.
Seems like Democrats are the real constitutionalists... who would have thought..
Republicans are mouthpieces that swallow any money coming their way.. and thats all they are!!
You do what is RIGHT... not whats convenient!!
And I would not condone Trumps behavior of ANY elected official..
Republicans have shown they value money over constitution.
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