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View Poll Results: Should people be forced to pay for other's health care, etc?
No 116 65.91%
Yes with no expectations of work in return 35 19.89%
Yes, if they perform community service 5 2.84%
No. Doctors and nurses should be required to work free for one year after training 0 0%
Other 22 12.50%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 176. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-25-2019, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN -
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One of the most egregious posts.

I didn’t know the Christian value was to leech off other people or to force other people to pay for my compassion.

If you want to help other people, go help them with your own money, for Chris’ sake!
First, what do you know about Christianity? You're from China, are you not?

Second, a core tenet of Christianity (indeed, of most religious faiths) is to help those less fortunate than ourselves. I thought this common knowledge, but I guess not.

If you don't accept Christian values, don't move to a country founded by Christians, for chrissake!
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Old 12-25-2019, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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How is what you said not slavery when other people are forced to pay while you sucking off on the fruit of other people’s labor???
I'm guessing that in A Christmas Carol, that you thought that Ebenezer Scrooge was the good guy, and that Bob Cratchet and Tiny Tim were the villains .....
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Old 12-25-2019, 01:26 PM
 
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The founding fathers were not Christians. They were deist. They believe that God was the great clock winder in that he winded up the world and let it go never interfering. It wasn’t until the 50”s that God started to be inserted in our money, etc.
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Old 12-25-2019, 01:26 PM
 
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How is what you said not slavery when other people are forced to pay while you sucking off on the fruit of other people’s labor???
No one is enslaved into paying for others in the United States. We've elected the officials making these decisions.
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Old 12-25-2019, 01:29 PM
 
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One of the most egregious posts.

I didn’t know the Christian value was to leech off other people or to force other people to pay for my compassion.

If you want to help other people, go help them with your own money, for Chris’ sake!

Surely you're not familiar with Christianity.
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Old 12-25-2019, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Admission, I didn't vote in this poll, and I failed to read 24 pages of comments.

No matter what we think the answer to the poll should be, nearly all of us have paid for other people's stuff through the fruits of our labor. It's nearly impossible to live off the grid, or through the cash gig economy, and to avoid payroll, and/or income taxes. The moment you pay those, you are paying for other people's stuff, including healthcare. It matters not what you think, because you have no choice. The next question becomes how much is too much?

The real issue is keping the costs of doing so to a minimum as to avoid placing undue stress upon the "makers". If too much of their income is taken, they'll quit, or leave...if possible. For me, once my total tax load reached 50%, I felt it had gone too far, and I stopped growing my company. Everybody's % will be different. That would be a whole new poll.

Healthcare delivery costs have been out of control for too long. Our government has caused this, and they must fix it. I won't go into all the fixes again here. I've posted them before. Obama and the Dems failed us by working on the wrong problem (insurance coverage costs rather than delivery costs), so now Trumps trying to fix it. Trump needs the House to break the gridlock. Without total control of the federal government, only small incremental gains can be made.
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Old 12-25-2019, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Second, a core tenet of Christianity (indeed, of most religious faiths) is to help those less fortunate than ourselves. I thought this common knowledge, but I guess not.
To give of your own money, not to take from someone else.

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No one is enslaved into paying for others in the United States. We've elected the officials making these decisions.
If I'm opposed to having my property taken, what difference does it make which politician is in office, or how they got there. My property is still being taken from me.
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Old 12-25-2019, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Eureka CA
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Poorly constructed questions.
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Old 12-25-2019, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Houston
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I doubt it, and have been in charge of corporate budgeting. Focus of corps is to raise income. Not having to pay Health Insurance claims or premiums (many self insured) would increase corporate earnings.

Our continuously strong economy (skilled workforce mainly) is why we still have Employer Health Insurance. As long as almost all corps offer it, no one feels they may drop it and still obtain a quality workforce. The biggest danger is the size of the skilled contractual workforce, especially those w/o benefits. The larger it gets, the more it allows corps to think they may drop medical benefits and still compete for their skilled workforce.
Companies have to compete for labor. I seriously doubt employee compensation will drop in the mid to long term.
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Old 12-25-2019, 01:39 PM
 
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If I'm opposed to having my property taken, what difference does it make which politician is in office, or how they got there. My property is still being taken from me.

You can have any opinion you want, it doesn't make you a slave just because your opinion differs than that of your elected official.
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