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Old 01-05-2020, 02:01 PM
 
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That was Iran's own money in return Iran would cooperate...

Rather than prodding a bull(war), we just kept it at bay. Trump decided that he wants to dance as a clown in the ring while slapping the bull...

Sounds like appeasement of brutal dictators. Why would a Democrat support a regime that throws men off the topic of buildings just for being gay, or beats women for not keeping their head covered?



We all know why. Trump derangement. You had no trouble supporting this.




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Old 01-05-2020, 02:01 PM
 
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He gave them cash by the pallet load (yes, you can argue it was their cash, seized when they committed terrorist activities). He not only gave them cash-he paid them interest on it! And he removed sanctions that cut into their ability to fund international terrorism and fund their nuclear program.
Just looking for a real answer as to why didn't Trump wait for Iran to break the deal. Was Iran following the deal? So far, the whole thread back and forth is just hate filled with no real answers, typical arguing with no facts.
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Old 01-05-2020, 02:01 PM
 
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He gave them cash by the pallet load (yes, you can argue it was their cash, seized when they committed terrorist activities). He not only gave them cash-he paid them interest on it! And he removed sanctions that cut into their ability to fund international terrorism and fund their nuclear program.
Well, you said it yourself. He gave them THEIR money back...money which, courts determined, we had no reason to hold onto.

That money is a drop in the bucket compared to the trade and profits we and other countries would be doing right now if we dropped all the War BS.

"Terrorist activity" , I think we learned, is in the eye of the beholder. One man's freedom fight is another's terrorist. Putin doesn't consider them terrorists and neither do many other countries.

Are we the worldwide dictators of who is a terrorist?

Trump is going to leave a lasting legacy - basically driving the entire world to align against the USA (whether they officially say so or not). Putin doesn't even have to work hard at it...and China is laughing all the way to the Bank.

Meanwhile, 50% of Americans aren't making ends meet. Winning?
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Old 01-05-2020, 02:02 PM
 
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So Dave patches a leak.
No, people really don't like that plumbing system that was installed, but the patch works.

Donny takes over, and he never liked Dave. He saw the patch, and hated it because it was done by Dave..

He thinks he can do better, and no patch is needed. He sabotages the patch and puts gum instead...

Over time, the gum falls out and the leak starts again, eventually becoming a big problem is that small leak ruptures and becomes a full on stream of rushing water.

Donny declares war on the plumbing system...
You should stick with being a plumber, you suck at politics....
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Old 01-05-2020, 02:03 PM
 
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Sounds like appeasement of brutal dictators. Why would a Democrat support a regime that throws men off the topic of buildings just for being gay, or beats women for not keeping their head covered?

We all know why. Trump derangement. You had no trouble supporting this.
This is like asking why Trump feels that 100's of billions in weapons to the 9/11 perps and transferring nuke tech to them (against the will of congress and the people) is a good idea.

You do know they cut off heads and use bone saws on people? Hands too....they torture also. Lots of fun there....
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Old 01-05-2020, 02:03 PM
 
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Why abandon the deal if Iran was following it?

A)It only allowed for inspection of declared facilities. Any suspicions facilities would require the Iranians being informed and then months to get access if at all. B)This only kicked the can down the road, it simply gave them more time.
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Old 01-05-2020, 02:04 PM
 
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Just looking for a real answer as to why didn't Trump wait for Iran to break the deal. Was Iran following the deal? So far, the whole thread back and forth hate filled no answers, typical arguing with no facts.
Iranians never considered it binding. They considered Obama a paper tiger with no real power to negotiate anything that could be ratified by the Senate.

Trump saw this, and from the man who makes deals for a living, knew the Iranians laughed at the hapless community agitator all the way to the bank.

The world, including the Iranians, played Obama for a fool. The Chinese, the Russians, North Koreans, Iranians, Cubians, all of them. And that describes Kerry's piece of paper too.
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Old 01-05-2020, 02:04 PM
 
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There was a deal. I'm looking for an accurate answer with no bias. Why cancel deal, and not wait for Iran to break the deal?
Iran broke the deal the day after it was signed and has continue to do so since that time.. Trump did a great service to America, and for YOU...
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Old 01-05-2020, 02:05 PM
 
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If Iran was behaving, why go back on the deal?. I know it was a bad deal, but maybe President Trump should have waited before ending deal.
That "deal" not only was worthless, it was DANGEROUS. It was worse than worthless. That's why Obama failed to make it a treaty. The Senate rejected it with a strong bi-partisan majority. The American people rejected it, even though Obama LIED about its provisions.

That "deal" had critical flaws regarding when and where to inspect, sunset clauses which would allow the regime to enrich to the point of breakout, allow the regime to develop the most advanced centrifuges, and continue to test ballistic missiles capable of carrying nuclear war heads.
In addition it contained absolutely no restriction on Iranian expansion and hegemony. In fact, after the deal was signed the regime used the hundreds of $billions that it got as a result of the deal to increase its nefarious activities throughout the region, from Iraq to Syria to Lebanon to Yemen..
Here is a recommendation on how to correct some of those fatal flaws:
https://www.cotton.senate.gov/files/...Fact_Sheet.pdf

The economic pressure that President Trump has put on Iran left the regime with two options: agree to negotiations or launch military attacks. It has chosen the latter. From attacking and hijacking tankers in the Gulf to shooting down a US drone to the attack on SA to the attacks on Americans in Iraq to the storming of the embassy in Baghdad. All directed by Suleimani. They will continue to do so, and even intensify the attacks, until they are stopped. There need to be no invasion or war. What is needed is a pinpoint destruction of the regime's refinery and oil production facilities. That will put an end to their economy. Without an economy they will be unable to support any significant military action.

Meanwhile Zarif, the very cunning foreign minister, continually feeds the pro-Iranian choir with what they want to hear. THERE WILL BE ALL-OUT WAR! We want nothing but peace! And the American media give him a soap box. And no tough questions. That seems to be a prerequisite to an interview. Do the Iranian media interview Sec. Pompeo? Do they let him speak to the Iranians?

The American Left has to see national security and the Iran deal for what it is, and stop looking at the world always through an anti-Trump lens.
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Old 01-05-2020, 02:06 PM
 
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Why did Trump abandon the Iran nuclear deal ?

A seriously bad case of Obama envy. Yes, it's quite immature of course, but that's what it is.

Combine that with a complete lack of serious in-depth reflection, an inability to formulate any kind of long term strategy, and we get the Trump phenomena ... chaos and mayhem.

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