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Old 01-11-2020, 01:14 PM
 
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I would have shot the knife twice. Once out of his hand and a second time to clear the knife approximately 28 ft from the assailant. I would then finish him off with my MMA spectator experience. As insurance I’ve also studied Bruce Lee. (Enter the Dragon, Fists of Fury)

Shooting at his legs he could simply hop over the rounds until the shooter is out of bullets. Common knowledge.

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Old 01-11-2020, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Always practice the Tueller drill and the Mozambique drill and Remember the 21-Foot Rule,

" which concluded if a bad guy armed with a knife or a club was within 21 feet of you, the reasonable conclusion would be you were within his danger zone. In other words, the bad guy could cover 21 feet in about 1.5 seconds—before you could draw your handgun and neutralize the threat.


https://www.shootingillustrated.com/...-it-important/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozambique_Drill
It still does show the need for increased knife control. The Brits are way ahead of us on this. Why should a guy like this be able to walk into a hardware store or a Walmart, plunk down cash, and walk out with a deadly knife, without even having to show ID?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gkk5nbNAno
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Old 01-11-2020, 01:29 PM
 
Location: WY
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This video is a perfect example why.
Very disturbing.
https://www.full30.com/embed/MDIxMjI...Ntm9SzzoOv_i00
Hate to see that. Thankfully the officer survived.

https://www.redandblack.com/athensne...d5a0be505.html
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Old 01-11-2020, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Cali
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there are a lot of problems with shooting suspects in the legs


1) it's hard to shoot a moving and small target like a leg
2) let's say you successful shoot the legs, it doesn't mean the suspect will stop hurting or killing you, especially if he is on some kind of drugs
3) then there's legal issue like if you shooting for the legs, then the suspect is not an imminent threat to you. if the suspect is not an imminent threat, then why are you using a deadly weapon (a firearm) to deal with a non-imminent threat?
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Old 01-11-2020, 01:36 PM
 
Location: WY
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there are a lot of problems with shooting suspects in the legs


1) it's hard to shoot a moving and small target like a leg
2) let's say you successful shoot the legs, it doesn't mean the suspect will stop hurting or killing you, especially if he is on some kind of drugs
3) then there's legal issue like if you shooting for the legs, then the suspect is not an imminent threat to you. if the suspect is not an imminent threat, then why are you using a deadly weapon (a firearm) to deal with a non-imminent threat?
It's also extremely dangerous for the officer to be focused on a suspect while walking backwards (particularly for the prolonged distance and the length of time that this interaction lasted).
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Old 01-11-2020, 01:36 PM
 
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It still does show the need for increased knife control. The Brits are way ahead of us on this. Why should a guy like this be able to walk into a hardware store or a Walmart, plunk down cash, and walk out with a deadly knife, without even having to show ID?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gkk5nbNAno
Wait, what ...i thought guns were the issue ? Now it's sharp pointy things too ?!
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Old 01-11-2020, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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This video is a perfect example why.
Very disturbing.
https://www.full30.com/embed/MDIxMjI...Ntm9SzzoOv_i00
Suicide by cop. I hope the cop is not traumatized by making good on the perp's desire to die.

I read somewhere that there is a net-shooting device for just this situation. For out of control people or dogs.
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Old 01-11-2020, 01:41 PM
 
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Cop should have shot him long before he did.
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Old 01-11-2020, 01:42 PM
 
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Suicide by cop. I hope the cop is not traumatized by making good on the perp's desire to die.

I read somewhere that there is a net-shooting device for just this situation. For out of control people or dogs.
I don't believe police should be obligated to use LTL force in situations like this.
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Old 01-11-2020, 01:51 PM
 
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I have to wonder whether a "smart gun" as advocated by VP Joe Biden, could not make it possible for a leg shot could be used in situations like this? The video seems to show that the officer's gun had virtually no electronics to allow for this.

I also think the video shows clearly the need for increased knife control, as the Brits have done. Right now we have virtually no controls in this area. No background checks, no nothing. There is even the increased availability of switchblade knives.
Excuse me? You would need smart bullets that would automatically go for the legs. Cops are trained to shoot center mass of the body. No electronics in any gun would have mattered.

I advocate for cops to carry .45 ACP with Black Talon rounds. One or two rounds and that idiot would have been dead before he hit the ground. A 9mm round is too wimpy.
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