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Old 01-13-2020, 10:41 PM
 
Location: California
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Because if they miss they, and others, could die. It's not where they aim that's a problem, it's whether they should even draw their weapon. There is discussion to be had on that topic. But if it's a legit draw-your-weapon situation you've already past the point of no return and death is an acceptable outcome.
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Old 01-13-2020, 10:56 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Because if they miss they, and others, could die. It's not where they aim that's a problem, it's whether they should even draw their weapon. There is discussion to be had on that topic. But if it's a legit draw-your-weapon situation you've already past the point of no return and death is an acceptable outcome.

No. no. We need to state "Neutralize" now to be PC.


Way too many TV watching armchair LEO's.
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Old 01-14-2020, 05:22 AM
 
Location: Florida
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There was one of these knife-nuts in Finland and managed to stab 10 people before he was stopped by a cop with a well aimed shot in the leg. It can be considered when possible, and while it might not make sense when the suspect is armed with a gun, as is often the case in US, it is often possible when the suspect is armed with a knife.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-f...-idUSKBN1HO1R2

Two women were killed and six more women were injured. Two men were hurt when they tried to help the women. Police stopped the attacks by shooting Bouanane in the leg.
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Old 01-14-2020, 05:34 AM
 
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A dead person can't sue you, a lying **** who tried to kill you can sue you and win... That's the perversion the Democrats created with activist judges and the law...
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Old 01-14-2020, 05:40 AM
 
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Someone wielding a knife, club, whatever, 15 feet away can be on you by the time you clear the holster.


Only in the movies and TV does a hand gun have the accuracy to hit someone between the eyes, every shot, from 50+ feet away.


A handgun is typically only accurate to about 6 inches at 20 feet for a person of nominal skill which includes almost everyone except the exceptional few.


Repeated shots have to be re-aimed after compensating for recoil. Again, the average person, with practice will typically get off, maybe, one shot a second if they practice regularly.


All that taken into consideration, center mass, the biggest part of the body, is taught in every handgun self defense class.


The object is to stop the threat as quickly as possible when your life is on the line. Anything less than a double tap to the chest is pretty much unacceptable.
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Old 01-14-2020, 06:34 AM
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Location: Great Britain
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Anyone who says take a leg or other extremity shot has no idea what the eff they are talking about.
The guidelines in the UK are that police shoot when only when absolutely necessary, and this is usually when the lives of officers and the public are at risk. Although de-esculation and encouragement to drop the weapon are encouraged where appriopriate.

Officers are trained to his the torso, as it's the largest target available in such circumstances.

In terms of terrorists who may be wearing suicide vests, a Critical shot to the head is permitted in order to take out the central nervous system and to stop any dentonation of an explosive device.

Discharge of firearms - College of Policing APP

Use of force, firearms and less lethal weapons - College of Policing APP

In terms of weapons other than firearms, de-esculation is encouuraged along with the use of non lethal weapons rather than firearms. This meets the criteria of Article 2 'The Right to Lide' of the European Covention on Human Rights.


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Old 01-14-2020, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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He was not a moron. He was mentally ill.



A distinction that matters .....how exactly?

When the cops are facing an armed, advancing suspect.......you want them to play psychiatrist?
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Old 01-14-2020, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Beanbag rounds don't ricochet like bullets. And they're fired from shotguns used just for that purpose, not cop's service weapons (handguns). These cops showed heart and courage but should have been better equipped. But I put that on the local PD and community. They want safe streets? Give the cops the tools they need.


There is a less lethal system that utilizes a service pistol.

I don't recall the name of it but it's a plastic cover that slips over the barrel and when fired, the actual bullet rides behind the larger, blunt tip of the cover, propelling it.

https://www.google.com/search?q=less...hZs2gn-gAoLPOM
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Old 01-14-2020, 07:58 AM
 
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If you aren't willing or capable of firing center mass into a threat, you have no business wielding a firearm.
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Old 01-14-2020, 08:00 AM
 
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If you aren't willing or capable of firing center mass into a threat, you have no business wielding a firearm.
As a child I was taught that one never points a gun at another person unless your intent is to kill them.
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