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Winchester calls what used to be Black Talon SXT now. There are a gazillion different defensive oriented types of bullets out there. The Glaser offering is more destructive than the Talon but they call it the "Safety Slug. "
So it doesn't sound so intentionally lethal like Black Talon did. Truth be known standard handgun chamberings are all pretty poor fight stoppers. It is VERY unlikely that a handgun such as what the cops use will stop a suspect with one round.
Instant incapacitation from a handgun round is a myth. To be clear I'm talking standard chamberings. Not something like a 500 SW.
This has to be one of the dumbest posts ever.....actual bullets did not stop this idiot, and you expect "bean bags" to take this guy out, to pose no other threat to the cop?
He was mentally ill, not an idiot. Your attitude is repulsive.
Maybe we need to create a specialized type of mental health crisis team to deal with suicidal people. Look at this:
Police fear ‘suicide by cop’ cases. So they’ve stopped responding to some calls
Anyone who says take a leg or other extremity shot has no idea what the eff they are talking about.
Exactly.
It's like they've been watching TV Westerns from the 50s where the good guy fires from the hip and knocks his opponent's gun from his hand at 25 paces.
To the armchair QBs, I would ask the following question - you are the police officer facing down a threat, and you have seen that video where something like half a dozen 9mm rounds get dumped into this guy, and he keeps coming after the officer. That's lethal rounds center of mass simply not keeping that guy on the ground.
Next, you've done the Sharpie test, where every mark your opponent got on you represents a knife slash/puncture. And you've done your C&C practical where your classmates were told to resist arrest with every bit of energy, so you know how hard controlling a fight is under even the most permissible brawler rules.
You also know the average grown man punch delivers a knock back force roughly 4-7x more than a bean bag round, and a well delivered punch to the chest isn't stopping even an average sized aggressor who wants to put the hurt on you.
And finally, you know that since you joined the force, besides the occasional diet/exercise necessary to stay within weight limits and all that, you have done much strength training and exactly zero martial arts/brawling/ground fighting/CQC training, meaning any melee confrontation will likely result in your demise.
You know all that, and you get dispatched with the following call "suspect is armed and considered dangerous, possible mental illness and/or drug intoxication." You now know that your suspect has the ability to end your life and is being considered a legit threat to do so, with the caveat being that they won't go down and aren't in their right mind.
So you get your choice of weapons, any of which when used will result in some number of people calling for your badge because you took things too far, including if you do nothing else but get the perp on the ground and handcuff them. And you know you want to live through this and every other shift, and this is an either/or, all in kinda thing...either you live or the bad guy does, and your choice of weapon and tactics pretty much dictates which one happens.
This has to be one of the dumbest posts ever.....actual bullets did not stop this idiot, and you expect "bean bags" to take this guy out, to pose no other threat to the cop?
If six shots in the 'center-mass' didn't do the job, then how is that considered the best approach?
This has to be one of the dumbest posts ever.....actual bullets did not stop this idiot, and you expect "bean bags" to take this guy out, to pose no other threat to the cop?
The ONLY reason that "actual bullets" didn't stop him was because the cop foolishly refused to shoot center mass and instead tried shooting for the legs while retreating. I'm not sure much would have helped this cop because he appears to be a complete idiot, but it's possible that he'd have been more willing to stand his ground and fire a bean bag round or rubber bullets center mass.
It's also possible that the attacker would have shrugged off those less than lethal measures leading to the same thing happening, but I think it would give those too cowardly to otherwise aim properly and pull the trigger a better chance. Not just everyone is going to shrug off rubber bullets or a bean bag. They hurt like hell.
If six shots in the 'center-mass' didn't do the job, then how is that considered the best approach?
It is't the best approach, because nothing about the rules and regs for police is a best approach.
If you wanted the best tactical approach for police defending themselves from aggression, then a semiauto 12 gauge with rifled slugs is the clear tactical winner. Nothing else can deliver that kind of opposing force on center of mass at short range. I would contend that police should never leave their car without overwatch, preferably in the form a trained sniper rocking at least 338 Lapua mag platform with orders to go for center of skull as 1st shot. That is tactically sound. But what is tactically the best approach has terribad optics and politics, so we choose horrible tactical options for these people.
If you wanted the best political optic approach, then police should never be part of crime intervention, ever. They should simply be reporters/insurance adjusters who show up after a crime and do the official state paperwork so when lawyers get involved, there is one story. Nobody gets killed by police that way, but that also has terribad optics and politics, because Leviathan loses the illusion that they are keeping people safe.
So we choose from a buffet of bad options, poor tactics, awful optics and then sit back and wait to complain about the results.
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