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Old 01-11-2020, 01:47 PM
 
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You're giving examples of capitalistic countries largely going to other capitalistic countries.

If you have an example of a communist country that had lots of people trying to get in, I'd love to hear about it because I cannot think of one.

Just look at east and west germany for starters.
I`m giving an example of how Capitalism has failed in a lot of places. People like to eat without having to sometimes scour the dump for scraps. Unfettered capitalism is a crime against humanity and no, I`m not defending pure socialism or communism.
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Old 01-11-2020, 01:58 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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The only country in Central America that people don`t want to leave is quasi-socialist Costa Rica where they`ve had national health insurance since 1961. No one is trying to get into the Capitalist utopias of Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, Mexico, etc.
You mean low tax, quasi-capitalist Costa Rica?

What about quasi-socialist Mexico’s universal health care?

See. Wording can be deceiving.

Most countries are NOT purely capitalistic or purely socialistic. But all wealthy countries are wealthy due to capitalism. Capitalism is what provides the money to fund whatever social services a country provides to it’s citizens. You cant tax people that make no money, and people who make no money are not motivated to produce.
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Old 01-11-2020, 04:33 PM
 
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The only country in Central America that people don`t want to leave is quasi-socialist Costa Rica where they`ve had national health insurance since 1961. No one is trying to get into the Capitalist utopias of Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, Mexico, etc.
Yet these "immigrants" from Central American are clammoring to get into the U.S. Why don't they try Costa Rica instead?
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Old 01-11-2020, 04:42 PM
 
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In socialist countries you have to attempt to keep your citizens inside the country because they'll naturally try to flee to capitalist countries to avoid starvation and murder.

So yeah, you never have to worry about immigrants wanting to go to socialist nations, this is true.
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Old 01-11-2020, 04:43 PM
 
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No socialist country in the world has ever advocated for mass immigration. It's only capitalist countries that do this because the ruling class wants to destroy the labor market and obtain a large supply of low wage slaves. Mass immigration is the ultimate proof that the capitalist class has nothing in common with the lower classes and no shared interests whatsoever.

No National Socialist has. Communists believe that all borders should be eradicated to unite the "worldwide brotherhood" of the proletariat (a political fiction).

It isn't National Socialists pushing for Western Socialism, but those that are much closer to communists.

The dirty secret is that communism is primarily a social system, not an economic system.

Modern communists will eradicate the borders if given the chance, along with seeking to do many other nasty things historically that have required mass murder sprees.
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Old 01-11-2020, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Edmonds, WA
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Yet these "immigrants" from Central American are clammoring to get into the U.S. Why don't they try Costa Rica instead?
It’s a tiny country, a tiny fraction of the size of the US, fraction of the opportunity. But, as a matter of fact, Costa Rica actually does have its own illegal immigration problem due to neighboring Nicaragua. And the third largest immigrant group is Americans.

https://cis.org/Pena/Most-Nicaraguan...-Instead-North
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Old 01-11-2020, 09:50 PM
 
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You mean low tax, quasi-capitalist Costa Rica?

What about quasi-socialist Mexico’s universal health care?

See. Wording can be deceiving.

Most countries are NOT purely capitalistic or purely socialistic. But all wealthy countries are wealthy due to capitalism. Capitalism is what provides the money to fund whatever social services a country provides to it’s citizens. You cant tax people that make no money, and people who make no money are not motivated to produce.
Not.
Educate yourself on "colonialism", "neo-colonialism", "Bretton-Woods" system, etc.
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Old 01-11-2020, 10:15 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Not.
Educate yourself on "colonialism", "neo-colonialism", "Bretton-Woods" system, etc.
Educate myself on common knowledge?

Is it your assertion that capitalism is not integral to all of those things?
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Old 01-11-2020, 10:22 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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No socialist country in the world has ever advocated for mass immigration. It's only capitalist countries that do this because the ruling class wants to destroy the labor market and obtain a large supply of low wage slaves. Mass immigration is the ultimate proof that the capitalist class has nothing in common with the lower classes and no shared interests whatsoever.
Nonsense.

Mass immigration indicates that the so-called "lower" class hasn't yet caught up with the so-called "capitalist" class (actually the people who have been able to work and lift themselves up without theft and redistribution of stolen goods by govt)... but that they intend to catch up. And they see America as a place where they can succeed, and their native countries as places where they can't.

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Old 01-11-2020, 10:25 PM
 
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Educate myself on common knowledge?

Is it your assertion that capitalism is not integral to all of those things?
My assertion is that success in robbing other countries has nothing to do with economic system.
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