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If you are in your 70's you remember the Vietnam war protests and Civil Rights marches. Things were divided then. And of course we fought the Civil War we were so divided at one point. The contest between Hoover and Roosevelt in 1932 was a bitterly fought battle for the Presidency. Interesting thing about the 1932 election is that it had a theme of socialism vs. capitalism to it also since Roosevelt had proposed Social Security as part of his campaign and Hoover was a staunch capitalist.
Of course I remember it. I served during the Viet Nam war. Still nothing like the division we have today on so many issues. Seems we can't agree on anything anymore.
Of course I remember it. I served during the Viet Nam war. Still nothing like the division we have today on so many issues. Seems we can't agree on anything anymore.
A lot of the perception is magnified by social media and public behavior.
I think people always had very strong feelings but you didn't see it because of two things: no social media to argue on where people hide behind a keyboard and act abysmal and, culturally, it was always really in poor taste to discuss religion, politics, and money with anyone outside your close family. These days everyone is sitting in their living raging about their beliefs and, more and more, people aren't afraid to just get in your face publicly about something. They are still less brave about that as compared to online.
Due to the recent total political disparity in this country, it has made this question all the more important. How can one evaluate the same set of facts, & come to 180' different conclusions from same said facts? Scientifically, it has been believed that different types of decisions use different parts of the brain.
While that is most likely true, I believe when it comes to morals, & political decisions, it is more basic than that. It has more to do with your knowledge base. How you develop that is the key to how you evaluate circumstances.
Example:
If you are born, & raised in the city, you tend to believe in a more central, & restrictive type of government. If you were raised on a farm, you believe in being independent, & base decisions on that. Politically, you would tend evaluate politics that way.
The above is fairly obvious, but some are not so obvious.
Example:
Socialism vs Capitalism. This is a bit more complicated, but at the core of socialism is the idea that all things in life have to be equal. Capitalist believe what is most important is equal opportunity. Men have free will, therefore have the choice whether to better themselves, or not. Socialism is based on an immoral principal that requires stealing from one, & giving to another to make thing equal. It is simply immoral. I believe our founding fathers understood this principal very well, & is reflected in the Constitution. It is a God given right to enjoy the fruits of your labor. Most political decisions go back to these two principals. The problem today is that our schools are filled with teachers that believe all things have to have equal outcomes.
At the end of the day, people make decisions on their knowledge base. Where the knowledge comes from is the key.
I see this basic difference as a stumbling block to our countries future.
The question is, how do we fix it?
Your whole question is based on the same fallacy the conservatives always use.
Youre one of those on here that keeps using the word "Socialism" as the pathetic way to manipulate the argument because more conservatives like you get their panties in a bunch thinking of Cuba or Russia, when youve already been told multitudes of times that democrats are not pushing for socialism, they are pushing for democratic socialism, theres a major difference. You know what it is. Youre not stupid. Why wont you fix that?
Also American capitalism believes as long as they can have the "american dream", they will look aside as the rich continue cheating, and stealing money from the pot that is supposed to be distributed for the common good.
No one in this country wants everything and everyone to be handed everything.
What you are actually unintentionally showing, is that we are not evaluating with the same set of facts. You cant start an evaluation based on a fallacy. People like you, need to finally admit what the true facts are FIRST. Then the facts can be evaluated on an even plane by everyone.
Conservatism is based on "I want work works for me only, screw everyone else if they dont think like me". They want to help no one but themselves. Thats not how a society works fluidly. Its impossible to agree on anything when one sides belief system is selfish ignorant thinking. People in this country also like to the "Us vs Them" tribalism mentality. That thinking causes people the vote for selfish politicians., against their own true interests.
Until that thinking changes, the disparity wont go away, as cons will continue using alternative facts for the common good of only themselves, while Democrats and independents use true facts for the common good of everyone.
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Of course I remember it. I served during the Viet Nam war. Still nothing like the division we have today on so many issues. Seems we can't agree on anything anymore.
I’ll be 67 soon -as a woman - I can tell you my view is our generation of men are bent on returning to their macho control if the 50’s. I remember the burning of the bras - the Black children going to school with guards for protection, the LA riots, the camped out blankets on the WH mall for the Aids victims - truckers did the same for gas prices before. The blowing up of abortion clinics. Woodstock were people declared freedom from traditions. Wars and more wars and the purchase of congress by our corporations. The fight to go forward is on. The new kids on the block will take over, but our generation is the most staunch hard headed obstructionist still trying to rule and change what they can’t. We are global - the kids play videos with kids from Japan or UK etc. They are already connected.
The internet broke those barriers that were hidden. Now everyone knows everything. We see the abuse in a small village in India or the true reasons for the Amazon burning. What you do today - is scrutinized. We must move on- it’s changing with or without our approval. Let’s talk in 5 yrs. and see.
All politicians should have to pass a urine test,
They should also have to pass an intelligence test, a common sense test and an understanding the constitution test, as well
That would pretty much remove most of our politicians at the federal and state level but I agree and like it.
Your whole question is based on the same fallacy the conservatives always use.
Youre one of those on here that keeps using the word "Socialism" as the pathetic way to manipulate the argument because more conservatives like you get their panties in a bunch thinking of Cuba or Russia, when youve already been told multitudes of times that democrats are not pushing for socialism, they are pushing for democratic socialism, theres a major difference. You know what it is. Youre not stupid. Why wont you fix that?
Also American capitalism believes as long as they can have the "american dream", they will look aside as the rich continue cheating, and stealing money from the pot that is supposed to be distributed for the common good.
No one in this country wants everything and everyone to be handed everything.
What you are actually unintentionally showing, is that we are not evaluating with the same set of facts. You cant start an evaluation based on a fallacy. People like you, need to finally admit what the true facts are FIRST. Then the facts can be evaluated on an even plane by everyone.
Conservatism is based on "I want work works for me only, screw everyone else if they dont think like me". They want to help no one but themselves. Thats not how a society works fluidly. Its impossible to agree on anything when one sides belief system is selfish ignorant thinking. People in this country also like to the "Us vs Them" tribalism mentality. That thinking causes people the vote for selfish politicians., against their own true interests.
Until that thinking changes, the disparity wont go away, as cons will continue using alternative facts for the common good of only themselves, while Democrats and independents use true facts for the common good of everyone.
when your idea of "socialism" comes from a right-wing perspective you are starting from an unsound position..i lived through the Vietnam period and i say the countries just as divided by the SAME people lol
That would pretty much remove most of our politicians at the federal and state level but I agree and like it.
It used to be an Honor to serve, then go back home and conduct your private life
Just like social security it was never intended to be " Something Dependent on "
I personally do not think that the majority of Americans believe the government
should have that much control, if they actually did something that was benefiting
America and not fulfilling a special interest agenda, and this is where they should all
be reminded of the OATH they took !
The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights reserved.
Of course I remember it. I served during the Viet Nam war. Still nothing like the division we have today on so many issues. Seems we can't agree on anything anymore.
Once some one drinks that Kool Aid. Your decisions are questionable.
I’ll be 67 soon -as a woman - I can tell you my view is our generation of men are bent on returning to their macho control if the 50’s. I remember the burning of the bras - the Black children going to school with guards for protection, the LA riots, the camped out blankets on the WH mall for the Aids victims - truckers did the same for gas prices before. The blowing up of abortion clinics. Woodstock were people declared freedom from traditions. Wars and more wars and the purchase of congress by our corporations. The fight to go forward is on. The new kids on the block will take over, but our generation is the most staunch hard headed obstructionist still trying to rule and change what they can’t. We are global - the kids play videos with kids from Japan or UK etc. They are already connected.
The internet broke those barriers that were hidden. Now everyone knows everything. We see the abuse in a small village in India or the true reasons for the Amazon burning. What you do today - is scrutinized. We must move on- it’s changing with or without our approval. Let’s talk in 5 yrs. and see.
I am not willing to give up my American citizenship to become just a global citizen with no identity to any country. That is globalism.
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