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Old 01-18-2020, 05:23 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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The shine has worn off? Did you vote for him? Or is that an empirical 'we'....?
I voted for him, and the shine has certainly worn off for me.

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Old 01-18-2020, 05:24 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Why are you going after USA Today, and calling it "propaganda"? USA Today didn't conduct the polls; they are merely reporting what the pollsters said.

We all know polls can be wrong. Five-thirty Eight rates Florida Atlantic as "B/C", meaning not very reliable. Marquette Law on the other hand gets "A/B", which means they are usually accurate.
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Anyone with a computer can see the details. For example, the Wisconsin poll:

https://law.marquette.edu/poll/wp-co...57Toplines.pdf

800 total respondents, 91% registered to vote

There are 13 pages of demographic information at the end, including party affiliation:

28% Dem
26% Repub
39% independent

also info on age, religion, race, marital status, education, etc etc

Couldn't rep you again, yet.
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:26 AM
 
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Right....and Hilldebeast had a 96% chance of winning...



https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-los...230556635.html



Truth! USA Today is correct. Donald Trump didn't win Florida, Wisconsin and Michigan without assistance from Vladimir Putin in 2016. Donald Trump will NOT win Florida, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan without assistance from Vladimir Putin in 2020.
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:42 AM
 
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Truth! USA Today is correct. Donald Trump didn't win Florida, Wisconsin and Michigan without assistance from Vladimir Putin in 2016. Donald Trump will NOT win Florida, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan without assistance from Vladimir Putin in 2020.
Hillary had a 500mil dollar campaign spending advantage and she lost because of a low-budget Russia troll campaign?
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:43 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Truth! USA Today is correct. Donald Trump didn't win Florida, Wisconsin and Michigan without assistance from Vladimir Putin in 2016. Donald Trump will NOT win Florida, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan without assistance from Vladimir Putin in 2020.
ZERO proof of this garbage.
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:44 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Hillary had a 500mil dollar campaign spending advantage and she lost because of a low-budget Russia troll campaign?
Exactly.

She lost because she was probably the least likeable candidate in modern history. Plus she basically ignored states like MI and WI, thinking they were "in the bag". She was very wrong.
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:45 AM
 
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It's like dejavu all over again.
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:54 AM
 
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Exactly.

She lost because she was probably the least likeable candidate in modern history. Plus she basically ignored states like MI and WI, thinking they were "in the bag". She was very wrong.
If people are being honest, only the most hardcore partisans really believe it was Putin that won the election for Trump.

Otherwise, when Hillary floated the possibility of running again there would have been support for her instead of a resounding "no" from democrats.

I mean, how dishonest can people be after 6+ months of screaming how she was cheated, Trump should be impeached, "not my president"....then when they get a chance to support her for 2020 they instead ran for the exits.

Regardless, I'm sure that this year more insults aimed at voters concerned about jobs etc. calling them racists will do the trick.
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Old 01-18-2020, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Remember when polls were saying that Hillary would win by a landslide in 2016?

Good Times
Numerically she did win by a landslide.

The Electoral College had other plans though.

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Old 01-18-2020, 09:01 AM
 
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ha, ha, good catch!! Just like Trump, his acolytes love polls when he's leading in them but then of course deny any possible validity when he falters
Because a switch goes off in their brains, and their confirmation bias goes into effect. They don't mind mass media, as long as it confirms what they were thinking all along.
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