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It's so funny that Democrats are crying for witnesses.
It hurts their case a helluva lot more if witnesses are called. Call up Biden, Hunter Biden or Adam Schiff. Not good at all for the Democrats and actually destructive.
Besides, the lines are drawn anyway. So Trump is not going to be kicked out of office.
In Federalist #65, Alexander Hamilton predicts that the verdict could fall along party lines.
Quote: "The prosecution of them, for this reason, will seldom fail to agitate the passions of the whole community, and to divide it into parties more or less friendly or inimical to the accused. In many cases it will connect itself with the pre-existing factions, and will enlist all their animosities, partialities, influence, and interest on one side or on the other; and in such cases there will always be the greatest danger that the decision will be regulated more by the comparative strength of parties, than by the real demonstrations of innocence or guilt."
This constant whining about Schiff, Biden or Biden's son is just stupid.
If they require investigation, go for it.
But this is Trump's impeachment trial. The witnesses should have some knowledge of went went on with Trump's attempt to solicit election assistance from Ukraine and what went on with blocking the security aid.
Bolton, Mulvaney, Parnas, Pompeo, Giuliani, ... these people had first hand knowledge. They could testify to Trump's innocence.
Last I checked..Trumps "base" is the American, tax paying citizen.. and while we are at it, why is it you "Think"(snicker) we dont care what he does? I really hope you answer and not abandon the thread like liberals usually do when being confronted
Well, I for one have certainly noticed that whenever Trump says something outrageous, or makes a blunder, it doesn't seem to impact his ratings among his base.
The first example I saw was during the campaign, when he said that John McCain was not a hero because he was captured. Knowing that Republicans in general and Trump fans in particular, are big supporters of the military, I thought "OK, now he's toast". But it didn't seem to matter. When the tape of him talking about grabbing pu**y came out, I thought he was in trouble, given the current environment in which men's careers have been ruined for much less (Al Franken, Aziz Ansari). Nope, even female Trumpers seemed to have no problem with it. When he abruptly pulled out of Syria, allowing Turkey to invade and handing a US airbase over to Russia, they said that was good, we shouldn't be in the Mideast. When he ordered the killing of the Iranian general, they said good, we've got to assert our power in the Mideast. When he defended Putin, when he said he and Kim Jong-Un were in love, when he used a sharpie to alter a US weather map, Trump's base never said a bad word about it.
So what else can one conclude, except that Trump's base is so enamored of him personally that they will reflexively defend any statement, any action or any position he takes.
Bring on Bolton and anyone else. It is obvious Bolton has an agenda if he were to go down that road. Trump isn't going anywhere because there has been no impeachable offenses. Also, he will be reelected because it is obvious his policies are working. If you don't see that you are just irrational.
Well, I for one have certainly noticed that whenever Trump says something outrageous, or makes a blunder, it doesn't seem to impact his ratings among his base.
The first example I saw was during the campaign, when he said that John McCain was not a hero because he was captured. Knowing that Republicans in general and Trump fans in particular, are big supporters of the military, I thought "OK, now he's toast". But it didn't seem to matter. When the tape of him talking about grabbing pu**y came out, I thought he was in trouble, given the current environment in which men's careers have been ruined for much less (Al Franken, Aziz Ansari). Nope, even female Trumpers seemed to have no problem with it. When he abruptly pulled out of Syria, allowing Turkey to invade and handing a US airbase over to Russia, they said that was good, we shouldn't be in the Mideast. When he ordered the killing of the Iranian general, they said good, we've got to assert our power in the Mideast. When he defended Putin, when he said he and Kim Jong-Un were in love, when he used a sharpie to alter a US weather map, Trump's base never said a bad word about it.
So what else can one conclude, except that Trump's base is so enamored of him personally that they will reflexively defend any statement, any action or any position he takes.
Not only defend, but spread lies in support of him.
Look at all the folks posting lies about Biden. Burisma was not being investigated by the prosecuting attorney that the U.S., the EU, etc. wanted removed for corruption. Yet they continue to lie about this.
Ukraine did not provide Clinton assistance in the election. FBI Director Wray and others have affirmed this did not happen. Fiona Hill was clear that this is Russian propaganda. Russian propaganda the is being spread by Republicans on the floor of the Senate.
Bolton is being badmouthed by Republicans at this very moment.
So should Schiff, the whistleblower, the guy (starts with an "A") whose testimony Schiff is blocking, and Biden I and II. If this whole thing is about Trump trying to ramp down on Ukrainian corruption, a big part of that is revealing just how rampant the Ukrainian corruption is, even to the Obama VP Biden.
Sorry, but your guy is about to be knocked out of the running. This is backfiring badly on the Dems. (Pelosi's first instinct to avoid impeachment was correct; too bad she fell to the radical left.)
While clearly that was and is the goal of Trump and his minions - I think you'll find this will backfire on you. Biden should be fundraising like MAD on the republican plan to do to him exactly what they did to Hillary; dirty him up before the elections.
Maybe Kevin McCarthy will say the quiet part out loud again. Anyone remember his truth-telling?
OH WAIT. Jonie Earnst already did that last night.
This is where Mitch McConnell drops the ball.
A quote from Alexander Hamilton in Federalist Papers #65. "Where else than in the Senate could have been found a tribunal sufficiently dignified, or sufficiently independent? What other body would be likely to feel CONFIDENCE ENOUGH IN ITS OWN SITUATION, to preserve, unawed and uninfluenced, the necessary impartiality between an INDIVIDUAL accused, and the REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE, HIS ACCUSERS?"
Alan Dershowitz made some statements that are in today's New York Times 1/28/2020.
And I quote from today's Times: "As evening set in, Mr. Dershowitz made the legal team’s only reference to Mr. Bolton, telling senators that the description of Mr. Trump’s actions in his manuscript “would not constitute an impeachable offense.” He added, “Let me repeat: Nothing in the Bolton revelations, even if true, would rise to the level of an abuse of power, or an impeachable offense.”"
Dershowitz went on to say that the founding fathers would never have found what Trump did an impeachable offense.
Well, here is a quote from Alexander Hamilton in Federalist Paper #65: A well-constituted court for the trial of impeachments is an object not more to be desired than difficult to be obtained in a government wholly elective. The subjects of its jurisdiction are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust. They are of a nature which may with peculiar propriety be denominated POLITICAL, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself.
If you can get past the eighteenth century English, it should be obvious at this point that Dershowitz has neglected to consider Federalist #65 in his speech.
You are neglecting to consider the constitution.
The founding father rejected the idea that a president can be removed from office for some vague allegation of "abuse" or " violation of public trust".
The constitution makes it clear that a president can only be removed for, Treason, Bribery, and other such serious criminal offenses.
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