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Old 02-04-2020, 10:16 PM
 
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The Taliban fostered and concealed Bin Laden. They DID start a fight and these are the consequences.

Don't want your country bombed? Don't put in place radical governments that seek destruction and death to other nations. Its pretty simple.

Leaving victoriously? WTF? You don't need to permanently occupy a nation to defeat it; rob them of their wealth and infrastructure so that perhaps they will remember it in the future. If they rise up again and create violence around the world, rinse and repeat.

A world cannot exist by allowing violent extremists to disrupt world civilization and commerce and force a medieval system to replace western republics. Nations that embrace such notions are a cancer on the world and must be snuffed out.
Uh, wasnt it Pakistan that was concealing Bin Laden?
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Old 02-04-2020, 10:42 PM
 
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The Taliban fostered and concealed Bin Laden. They DID start a fight and these are the consequences.

Don't want your country bombed? Don't put in place radical governments that seek destruction and death to other nations. Its pretty simple.

Leaving victoriously? WTF? You don't need to permanently occupy a nation to defeat it; rob them of their wealth and infrastructure so that perhaps they will remember it in the future. If they rise up again and create violence around the world, rinse and repeat.

A world cannot exist by allowing violent extremists to disrupt world civilization and commerce and force a medieval system to replace western republics. Nations that embrace such notions are a cancer on the world and must be snuffed out.
9/11 was a long time ago.

There will be no defeat of Afghanistan. In fact, there will be no defeat of the Taliban either.

But you knew that already.
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I served in the military and would do it all again. That experience taught me a few things.
Our history books are white washed, as in sanitized.

The only difference between the bad guys we fight and the guys we support are that the guys we support are our bad guys.

As for its because it is brown skinned people? No that isn't a factor. Both parties love playing world cop. Their kids aren't the ones getting their arms and legs blown off. They love the ego trip that we know best.

Obama involved us in 2 civil wars that had nothing to do with us and then involved us in Yemen. This after the fools gave him the peace prize.

No it isn't about skin color it is about arrogance and power.
Skin color matters. A lot. A whole lot.
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Old 02-04-2020, 10:57 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Once 9/11 happened, MIC used as an excuse to make money. If it just anti-insurgency, black ops type operations, no one makes any money.
Nah, the MIC has been using wars forever to justify its existence - not just with 9-11.
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Old 02-04-2020, 11:17 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas & San Diego
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At what point do we stop this horror? At what point are we doing more damage to ourselves than good?

https://original.antiwar.com/Brett_W...ban-commander/

Our "industrial military complex" and our "forever wars" are out of control.

Both political parties are to blame. Hold both parties accountable!
The data in your link is WAY off - https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/202...ghanistan.html
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Afghan Officials: US Airstrike Killed 10 Civilians in Herat
Military Industrial Complex is from the 50s - hardly describes things currently. Trump is trying to get us out of these wars.
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Old 02-05-2020, 08:47 AM
 
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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009 View Post
??????????

The Taliban fostered and concealed Bin Laden. They DID start a fight and these are the consequences.

Don't want your country bombed? Don't put in place radical governments that seek destruction and death to other nations. Its pretty simple.

Leaving victoriously? WTF? You don't need to permanently occupy a nation to defeat it; rob them of their wealth and infrastructure so that perhaps they will remember it in the future. If they rise up again and create violence around the world, rinse and repeat.

A world cannot exist by allowing violent extremists to disrupt world civilization and commerce and force a medieval system to replace western republics. Nations that embrace such notions are a cancer on the world and must be snuffed out.
The Taliban did not have the power to oust Bin Laden. That does not make them any less guilty. The Taliban did not control all off Afghanistan, and a lot of its power was derived from numerous alliances with other groups. Bin Laden and Al Qaeda was the most powerful force in the country aside the Taliban.

Also, harping on the Taliban while ignoring Pakistan, a country which Al Qaeda was created, provided support to Al Qaeda, and provided protection to. The US literally had to sneak into Pakistan to kill Bin Laden.
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Old 02-05-2020, 08:48 AM
 
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The data in your link is WAY off - https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/202...ghanistan.html

Military Industrial Complex is from the 50s - hardly describes things currently. Trump is trying to get us out of these wars.
With a stroke of a pen, an order, Trump can have troops leave today, but he doesn't.
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Old 02-05-2020, 09:02 AM
 
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Another thing that has not been brought up yet, Afghanistan poppy fields! Those are extremely important to the US.
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Old 02-05-2020, 09:16 AM
 
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Opium is an important source of revenue for the CIA's budget. Running guns is another important revenue source as seen in Benghazi and Iran-Contra.

The Saudis paid Pakistan to hold Bin Laden. They along with other governments finance Al Qaeda and allied militias. The US provides some of the funds for the training schools that were operating in Pakistan to supply fighters for the wars in Afghanistan, the Balkans, and the Russia republics. Educational material for indoctrinating kids to fight were published at the University of Nebraska's Ctr for Afghan Studies.
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Old 02-05-2020, 09:34 AM
 
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Opium is an important source of revenue for the CIA's budget. Running guns is another important revenue source as seen in Benghazi and Iran-Contra.

The Saudis paid Pakistan to hold Bin Laden. They along with other governments finance Al Qaeda and allied militias. The US provides some of the funds for the training schools that were operating in Pakistan to supply fighters for the wars in Afghanistan, the Balkans, and the Russia republics. Educational material for indoctrinating kids to fight were published at the University of Nebraska's Ctr for Afghan Studies.
And for very good reason...without all this opium, the drugs would stop flowing into the US, law enforcement agencies could not continue making arrests, seizing property, cash, bank accts, etc.


US law enforcement relies on these drugs to KEEP coming in and reaching their destination.
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Old 02-05-2020, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas & San Diego
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With a stroke of a pen, an order, Trump can have troops leave today, but he doesn't.
Not how it works - but this was a drone strike that was asked for by the Afghan leaders - not troops.
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