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Old 02-10-2020, 01:11 PM
 
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Not according to Biden at the CFR:

"I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a *****. (Laughter.) He got fired."
And where in this quote does Biden admit the decision was exclusively his idea? Where in this quote did he "admit" that he got the prosecutor fired to protect his son?
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Old 02-10-2020, 01:16 PM
 
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Actually, indeed, it does. Here's what happened AFTER Biden pressured Ukraine to fire their prosecutor. Note the dates:

https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news...en-and-burisma

Shokin was forced out in March 2016, AFTER Biden's personally motivated demand, and AFTER Burisma's US lawyers wanted the US State Dept to retract their opinion of Burisma as corrupt.

Biden at CFR: "I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a *****. (Laughter.) He got fired."
Regardless of what Biden threatened to do, if he was advancing formal US policy by pushing to have Shokin fired, he was not making a “personally motivated demand.” This isn’t difficult.
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Old 02-10-2020, 01:22 PM
 
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Regardless of what Biden threatened to do, if he was advancing formal US policy by pushing to have Shokin fired, he was not making a “personally motivated demand.” This isn’t difficult.
Therein lies the rub. There is no evidence whatsoever that the US or a multinational coalition had determined to threaten to withhold aid to Ukraine unless they fired their prosecutor. That was just Joe Biden acting solely in his own personal interest.
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Old 02-10-2020, 01:24 PM
 
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Therein lies the rub. There is no evidence whatsoever that the US or a multinational coalition had determined to threaten to withhold aid to Ukraine unless they fired their prosecutor. That was just Joe Biden acting solely in his own personal interest.
"Soley in his own personal interest"?? By following the instructions of the State Department and the Obama administration? Your logic is seriously flawed.
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Old 02-10-2020, 01:24 PM
 
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And where in this quote does Biden admit the decision was exclusively his idea? Where in this quote did he "admit" that he got the prosecutor fired to protect his son?
Where's the evidence that forcing Ukraine to fire its prosecutor under threat of losing aid was US or even a multinational coalition's policy?
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Old 02-10-2020, 01:28 PM
 
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"Soley in his own personal interest"?? By following the instructions of the State Department and the Obama administration?
If that's what you truly believe it should be simple enough to provide the evidence that US official policy was to threaten to withhold aid to Ukraine unless Ukraine fired its prosecutor. So... Where's the evidence? Post it.
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Old 02-10-2020, 01:28 PM
 
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Where's the evidence that forcing Ukraine to fire its prosecutor under threat of losing aid was US or even a multinational coalition's policy?
You've already seen the evidence in statements by state department officials, by quotes from officials in other countries. The prepositional phrase you've added, "under threat of losing aid", doesn't change the facts, that the United States, and European Union and England and others wanted a corrupt prosecutor removed from office. You are hung up on the "losing aid", but that component is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the US, England, and European Union wanted a corrupt official removed from office, that Biden was told to make that happen, and Biden did so.
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Old 02-10-2020, 01:30 PM
 
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If that's what you truly believe it should be simple enough to provide the evidence that US official policy was to threaten to withhold aid to Ukraine unless Ukraine fired its prosecutor. So... Where's the evidence? Post it.
US official policy was to do whatever was necessary to remove the corrupt prosecutor. Your obsession with withholding aid is obstructing your comprehension of the situation.
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Old 02-10-2020, 01:31 PM
 
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US official policy was to do whatever was necessary to remove the corrupt prosecutor. Your obsession with withholding aid is obstructing your comprehension of the situation.
I suspect this is intentional.
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Old 02-10-2020, 01:33 PM
 
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US official policy was to do whatever was necessary to remove the corrupt prosecutor.
Now you're just making up things.
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