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Old 02-11-2020, 09:12 AM
 
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Post it 100 times does not make it right.

Joe said he had the guy fired because he was corrupt not because of Burisma.

There waa in fact an open case on Burisma at the time.

So Joe is lying.

Joe said his replacement was "solid" yet he was even more corrupt.

Joe lied again.

A full investigation of this is warranted, it should be lead by Republicans friendly to the president and get all the funding and resources Mueller and impeachment did.

Bidens chances for being elected evaporate as he gets closer to it. The more people look into this the more crooked it gets. He should drop out before he goes to jail where I am sure his stories of children sitting on his lap stroking his leg hair will go over real well.
How does it make "Joe is lying"? He got the guy fired because he was corrupt. An open case does not contradict that Shokin was corrupt. This was the consensus of the American government and the international community.

Shokin was corrupt. An open case on Burisma that Shokin is not pursuing, and Shokin actively obstructing Great Britain's investigation into Burisma by not handing over paperwork to Great Britain, contradicts your statement.

Lutsenko did pursue Burisma and got a settlement in a tax evasion case. Should other matters have been pursued? Very possibly, as they now are being followed up per Ukrainian authorities. But none of that says that Joe lied.
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Old 02-11-2020, 09:18 AM
 
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He had exactly the same opportunity and power to influence Shokin's replacement as he did to influence his firing. Cute try at deflecting from the facts. Had we withheld a billion US taxpayer dollars in aid unless they appointed someone that was not corrupt, that had not served prison time for corruption, that actually had a law degree and had investigated corruption...we would have such a person appointed. Instead...we ended up with someone worse than Shokin...that killed the investigation. Gotta wonder if he wasn't hand picked by Biden because he was so "solid" (in Biden's words).
All you have is speculation and innuendo. There is no evidence that Joe Biden played any role in selecting Lutsenko. Lutsenko was appointed by a vote in the Ukranian Rada, so I don't even see how he could have been involved.

Again, if you have something, show us. That you "gotta wonder" isn't going to cut it.
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Old 02-11-2020, 09:19 AM
 
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If that were the only reason, why would they hire someone that had been thrown out of the Navy for cocaine use? That had a history of frequenting prostitutes? That was center of a controversy of refusing to pay his ex-wife in a divorce settlement? If they were looking for "respectability"-Hunter Biden is not a place anyone would go. Now if they wanted to influence the "point man" on America's "Ukraine Policy"....
Because that didn't matter to them???

They appointed a lawyer who had a respectable name to a board of directors in Ukraine. While you may have focused on his cocaine use, his patronage of prostitutes, do you honestly think the people of Ukraine cared?
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Old 02-11-2020, 09:44 AM
 
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According to this article, Lutsenko was not one America's preferred replacements but he did meet with George Kent who collaborated with his colleagues at the US State Department and the US Embassy in Ukraine and, at least at the time, initially "believed the U.S. government could work with Lutsenko". Nothing in here suggests Biden was part of that process. It seems that neither Biden nor anyone else in the US Government selected him to replace Shokin.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...ps-impeachment
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Old 02-11-2020, 10:08 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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According to this article, Lutsenko was not one America's preferred replacements but he did meet with George Kent who collaborated with his colleagues at the US State Department and the US Embassy in Ukraine and, at least at the time, initially "believed the U.S. government could work with Lutsenko". Nothing in here suggests Biden was part of that process. It seems that neither Biden nor anyone else in the US Government selected him to replace Shokin.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...ps-impeachment
Surprise, surprise.

What deflection will be next, I wonder?
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Old 02-11-2020, 04:27 PM
 
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How does it make "Joe is lying"? He got the guy fired because he was corrupt. An open case does not contradict that Shokin was corrupt. This was the consensus of the American government and the international community.

Shokin was corrupt. An open case on Burisma that Shokin is not pursuing, and Shokin actively obstructing Great Britain's investigation into Burisma by not handing over paperwork to Great Britain, contradicts your statement.

Lutsenko did pursue Burisma and got a settlement in a tax evasion case. Should other matters have been pursued? Very possibly, as they now are being followed up per Ukrainian authorities. But none of that says that Joe lied.
If youre so absolutely certain of Bidens innocence where was the political capital for trump if ukraine conducted an investigation?

Upon announcing an investigation, you would change parties and support trump? Enough people would to tilt the election?

Show me one voter that stupid.
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Old 02-11-2020, 04:32 PM
 
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According to this article, Lutsenko was not one America's preferred replacements but he did meet with George Kent who collaborated with his colleagues at the US State Department and the US Embassy in Ukraine and, at least at the time, initially "believed the U.S. government could work with Lutsenko". Nothing in here suggests Biden was part of that process. It seems that neither Biden nor anyone else in the US Government selected him to replace Shokin.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...ps-impeachment
It seems bizarre that dumping shokin was so important without any expectation his replacement wouldnt be worse. Like russian roulette or lets make a deal. Would you like to trade your box for whats behind door number two?
Is that good policy? Or just so silly theres something more going on there?
How about an investigation.

OH GOD NO HOW DARE YOU. IMPEACH HIM.
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Old 02-11-2020, 04:36 PM
 
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Because that didn't matter to them???

They appointed a lawyer who had a respectable name to a board of directors in Ukraine. While you may have focused on his cocaine use, his patronage of prostitutes, do you honestly think the people of Ukraine cared?
Why do the people of ukraine care about the biden name?
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Old 02-11-2020, 04:41 PM
 
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...gs_142255.html
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Old 02-11-2020, 04:43 PM
 
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It seems bizarre that dumping shokin was so important without any expectation his replacement wouldnt be worse. Like russian roulette or lets make a deal. Would you like to trade your box for whats behind door number two?
Is that good policy? Or just so silly theres something more going on there?
How about an investigation.

OH GOD NO HOW DARE YOU. IMPEACH HIM.
Are you ok?
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