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What's interesting (to me at least) is the report of over 1700 health care workers in China being sickened and 6 dead.
When in the world do you ever hear that about the flu?
And honestly, China is a lying liar who lies ... I would be the farm on the fact that the reported numbers are miniscual to what the truth is over there
What's interesting (to me at least) is the report of over 1700 health care workers in China being sickened and 6 dead.
When in the world do you ever hear that about the flu?
And honestly, China is a lying liar who lies ... I would be the farm on the fact that the reported numbers are miniscual to what the truth is over there
I agree about China not giving out honest numbers. That's just what they do.
This particular strain of coronavirus is called "novel" because it is a new strain. I don't believe that any parts of it are even similar to other coronavirus strains. With influenza, at least you have two variants that have *some* similarities to previously circulating influenzas. Whenever there is a "novel" virus, the infected person can react much more strongly once infected; leading to more deaths. Until the population starts to build up some natural immunity to it, it can be more dangerous than influenza.
It is called novel because it is new but it is related to other coronaviruses. If it were not, it would not be a coronavirus.
There are way more than two "variants" of influenza.
The only way to develop immunity to any virus for which there is no vaccine is to be infected with it. The problem with novel viruses is that the entire population, barring a few who may have genetic quirks that prevent them from being infected, is susceptible because no one has had it before.
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Also, if people in China are dying from it, it is serious. One life is still a life and there are many human beings dying from it if reports are true. I don't know that it is an epidemic since I'm not there, but I certainly wouldn't poo poo it, as I am not the ones there going through it.
Yes, it is an epidemic.
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a)Simple arithmetic: 0.05(%) x 50 = 2.5(%)
b) temperature taking as a screening method: at what point does the infected pt become febrile?--He's been shedding virus, spreading the infection, for 7 -10 days before he becomes symptomatic. It's useless, but it makes it look like "They" are doing something for us.
c) Plenty of data from CDC showing that when the population is divided into quartiles, only youngest seems to have a death rate (very slightly) improved by flu vax. Middle 3 groups show no change, while the eldest group shows no change in all-cause death rate, but if they had the vax, then less likely "influenza" will be entered as cause of death on the certificate. Common knowledge that influenza is generally only lethal in those with pre-existing conditions. Look up older research to verify that. I don't have time to do your homework if you don't want to accept my experience of 45 yrs working in the field.
CV, OTOH, is killing "healthy" people- EG- the doc who first described it.
The natural course of all infectious diseases is an example of "co-evolution." The novel virus kills off those susceptible to it, leaving behind those with more "natural immunity." Those survivors pass those beneficial genes along to the next generation, while the weak genes are eliminated....The bug itself evolves to become less virulent: the nastier ones that kill the host, kill themselves, so to speak, leaving the less virulent strains behind to sicken but not kill the hosts.
The problem is, mutations are random & frequent, so the next mutation might turn a tame strain into a killer at any time.....It's a jungle out there.
Flu does kill healthy people. Half the children who die from it have no underlying health conditions.
Some flu strains hit a given age group harder while different strains hit other age groups worse.
Most of the people dying from COVID-19 are older and have underlying health conditions.
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Maybe they are afraid it’s going to mutate to something much worse. That’s what happens in the movies and that is where my medical knowledge begins and ends.
Bring it on, I’m retiring from my job so who the hell needs me anymore anyway. Take us old farts out and save the young. That’s what Mother Nature does.
Coronaviruses do not mutate as rapidly as some other viruses do, including flu and HIV. Most mutations are neutral: they do not make the virus either more or less dangerous.
SARS underwent a mutation that apparently made it less dangerous.
"The analysis of 22 studies reveals that human coronaviruses such as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) coronavirus, Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) coronavirus or endemic human coronaviruses (HCoV) can persist on inanimate surfaces like metal, glass or plastic for up to 9 days, but can be efficiently inactivated by surface disinfection procedures with 62-71% ethanol, 0.5% hydrogen peroxide or 0.1% sodium hypochlorite within 1 minute. Other biocidal agents such as 0.05-0.2% benzalkonium chloride or 0.02% chlorhexidine digluconate are less effective."
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yep...it was specifically designed to kill coronavirus
The 2.5% is from the OP, the 0.1% is from the CDC using the highest estimate totals for infections and deaths, 2018 data if I recall correctly.
We don't know the mortality rate yet. We have 58K open cases, and only 13K closed. So all numbers are guess work.
So the estimates are all over the place. Not saying it isn't dangerous, I think it is. Maybe because I'm in the age group with underlying health conditions.
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I'm in China right now and can only laugh at these "iT's jUsT LiKe tHe ReGuLaR fLu" posts.
The regular flu has a fatality rate of <.01%.
The coronavirus' death rate is quoted by the Chinese govt as being at about 2% (2.1% is the most often quoted number), which is already much higher.
However, looking at closed cases, there is currently a 14% death rate. yikes. We won't know the true, total number until later. There are currently over 70k infections and it's growing daily.
And this is according to China's officially stated numbers, which basically everyone knows are... Edited.
China's economy has been in rough shape lately, and the government has been using many of its tricks to try to stimulate the economy, all of which are falling flat. In the last 2 weeks, they have dumped over $200bn USD back into their economy, but as time marches on, international speculation on the markets and China's ability to recover is growing dim. I'm not happy about this at all as about 75% of my money is in RMB, but it's pointless and detrimental to deny it.
Why would China risk its economy at this of all times if this was just a little bitty flu?
Today, about 80% of pharmaceuticals sold in the U.S. are produced in China. This number, while concerning, hides an even greater problem: China is the largest and sometimes only global supplier for the active ingredient of some vital medications. The active ingredients for medicines that treat breast cancer and lung cancer and the antibiotic Vancomycin, which is a last resort antibiotic for some types of antimicrobial resistant infections, are made almost exclusively in China. Additionally, China controls such a large market portion of heparin, a blood thinner used in open-heart surgery, kidney dialysis and blood transfusions that the U.S. government was left with no choice but to continue buying from China even after a contamination scandal in 2007.
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