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Labels are meaningless given that you probably define socialism as concentration camps, starvation and dictatorship and he defines it as workers' rights, guaranteed health care for all, stronger labor unions and getting rid of big money in politics.
Plenty of big social democratic, FDR-type mainstream parties in Europe label themselves as socialist.
You said that crazy Bernie doesn't call himself a socialist. Obviously, he does. And this is the definition of socialism that I use.
Definition of socialism
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
You claim he calls himself a "democratic socialist." Alright what do these democratic socialists support?
Article II of their "constitution" states:
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We are socialists because we reject an economic order based on private profit.... We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane social order based on popular control of resources and production, economic planning, equitable distribution, feminism, racial equality and non-oppressive relationships.
Nobody's "tagging" anyone. Sanders is a self-described Socialist.
Socialism has NEVER been effective. It has ALWAYS resulted in starvation, death to those to speak out in opposition, misery to the citizens, and death to millions.
By OP's logic, Sanders must be trying to scare himself.
Sanders is a persuaded socialist, which is why he describes himself with the word.
Pundit Ben Shapiro played a whole litany of quotes from Bernie advocating nationalization of various industries, praise for the old USSR, etc.
He has sometimes tried to fuzz the issue with references to Scandinavian countries, none of which are socialist; they're 'social democracies,' i.e. capitalist, but with large welfare state programs.
You said that crazy Bernie doesn't call himself a socialist. Obviously, he does. And this is the definition of socialism that I use.
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You claim he calls himself a "democratic socialist." Alright what do these democratic socialists support?
Article II of their "constitution" states: https://www.dsausa.org/about-us/constitution/
So when it comes right down to it, socialism, and democratic socialism, are the same thing. Glad that's settled.
No matter what he calls himself, Bernie's policies would be a complete disaster. 60-100 trillion dollars over 10 years? Where do we find that?
Democratic socialism is just socialism achieved via elections. Hugo Chavez was a Democratic socialist. On the rare occasions where an election did not go his way, he generally honored the result.
It still did not work out very well for Venezuela. The diaspora was already well under way when Chavez died in 2013. After that Maduro took over and pretty much turned it into dictatorial socialism by rigging elections.
The GOP looks ahead in time and knows that their future is limited. Upcoming generations want no part of their agenda.
Expect them to get ever more desperate and strident as they approach the abyss. Expect them to double down on science denial, trickle-down and other failed policies they hold so dear.
You're probably right.
Also gerrymandering.
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Why do you advocate for other people to pay for your stuff?
Why do you pretend to think I'm expected others to pay for my "stuff'?
Any ethical society tries to ensure the welfare of all citizens, even those at the bottom.
As I thought I made clear, the "tagging" began long before Sanders.
And, by the way, socialist leaning countries like Denmark and Finland aren't starving or miserable, as far as I know. In fact, I think Finland was considered that happiest of all countries.
They aren’t socialist countries. In fact, they bristle at people such as you misrepresenting them for your own dubious purpose.
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