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Old 02-21-2020, 02:33 PM
 
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Rape is inhumane, period, no matter who does it to whom.

And if prisons were better run, this would not be an issue, imo.
This is why the worst offenders end up in isolation with no one around them.

But BEFORE they get to that point, they have opportunities.

Unless you start everyone off in complete isolation, stuff if going to happen.

Kinda the way it is outside of prison. This inmate at one point walked around just like you on the streets among all of us until they lost some freedoms by bad actions. However, they couldn't be incarcerated until they did bad things to others.

You CANNOT stop bad things from happening in prison unless you pre-emptively isolate each and every one of them which will have every civil rights group on you immediately.
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Old 02-21-2020, 02:39 PM
 
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I've long been pro-trans and pro-gay and I still am.

However, once upon a time pedos were allowed to march with gays because people didn't want to condemn them etc. but eventually reason set in and recognized the fundamental difference of consent.

So today you have some issues that need to be sorted out with how trans fit in society and the pendulum is way out of wack with even the possibility of reasoned debate on the topic shut down with accusations of bigotry and so forth. However, as this new movement continues forward there will eventually come a tipping point and there will be some equilibrium reached, like not letting bio-men compete against women as one example that will eventually change.
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Old 02-21-2020, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Okay, so you move the Transgender inmate to a male prison, where they probably get raped because of their sexuality. Doesn't seem like an improvement; it's perhaps even inhumane. But I doubt you can fund separate facilities.
Are you suggesting there are sexual perverts or deviants in our prison system?
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Old 02-21-2020, 03:27 PM
 
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Okay, so you move the Transgender inmate to a male prison, where they probably get raped because of their sexuality. Doesn't seem like an improvement; it's perhaps even inhumane. But I doubt you can fund separate facilities.
Don't do the crime if you cant do the time.
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Old 02-21-2020, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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This is why the worst offenders end up in isolation with no one around them.

But BEFORE they get to that point, they have opportunities.

Unless you start everyone off in complete isolation, stuff if going to happen.

Kinda the way it is outside of prison. This inmate at one point walked around just like you on the streets among all of us until they lost some freedoms by bad actions. However, they couldn't be incarcerated until they did bad things to others.

You CANNOT stop bad things from happening in prison unless you pre-emptively isolate each and every one of them which will have every civil rights group on you immediately.
No, we cannot stop bad things from happening the first time, but we can certainly punish the offenders and take steps to prevent them from doing it again (or at least while they are locked up).

However, as has been made clear, many people think that putting people in solitary is "cruel and unusual", but I disagree with that opinion as long as prisoners are not locked in very small and windowless rooms for many hours at a time.

In short, I think that prisoners should try to be rehabilitated the first and second (and possibly third) time they are incarcerated, but if they prove by their actions over and over and over and over again that they have no interest in being a good citizen (or even anything close to that), then my view is that we should stop coddling them and think more of their victims and potential victims.
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:01 PM
 
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A key role of prison is rehabilitation. Driving people mental by incarcerating them in solitary for years isn't rehabilitation. Come up with something better.
I don’t have to. He can be in a men’s prison. There is nothing right about allowing him to be in a women’s prison, nothing!
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Old 02-21-2020, 10:40 PM
 
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What's your solution then? Spend more money to create better-run prisons?
Honestly, its 2020 now, its time to end the medieval practice of sending people to prisons...surely we can create more effective means of rehabilitating criminals and making them into productive citizens!!
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Old 03-05-2020, 06:51 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Default Lawsuit: Female Prisoner Says She Was Raped by Transgender (i.e. male) Inmate

A "transgender woman" (actually a man who wants to be a woman but still has male genitalia) was transferred from a jail for men, to a jail for women in Illinois. Almost immediately he raped a woman inmate.

Chalk up another "victory" for homosexual advocates who want everyone to pretend that being a man or woman, depends on what you want to be instead of what you are.

Generally speaking, a "transgender woman" is a man who wants to be a woman, and who had undergone voluntary genital mutilation, and picked up a drug habit (hormones).

Apparently this one didn't even go that far, retaining his "male genitalia" even as he demanded to be transferred to a woman's facility.

Incredibly, the officials acceded to his demand. What could go wrong?

When will this insanity end?

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https://news.wttw.com/2020/02/19/law...sgender-inmate

Lawsuit: Female Prisoner Says She Was Raped by Transgender Inmate

Matt Masterson | February 19, 2020 3:56 pm

An inmate at Illinois’ largest women’s prison says she was raped by a transgender inmate who was transferred into her housing unit last year, and claims Illinois Department of Corrections officials conducted a “sham investigation” to help cover up the incident.

In a federal lawsuit filed last week, a Jane Doe inmate at the Logan Correctional Center in central Illinois said that after being sexually assaulted in June 2019, she was coerced by a supervisory officer into denying the attack took place and then punished for filing a “false” complaint under the Prison Rape Elimination Act (PREA).
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Old 03-05-2020, 08:14 PM
 
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Liberal lunacy at work. Nothing new.
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Old 03-05-2020, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Nobody should be surprised.

We have absolute idiots making up these policies.
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