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Old 02-23-2020, 12:54 PM
 
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If you were White you didn't have to worry about it in Bloomberg's NY.




(and they disparage The South for Jim Crow)
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Old 02-23-2020, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Trump is a long time advocate for Stop and Frisk , including while POTUS.

And here’s Trump criticizing MB for it.

It’s a curious thing that Trump has not received blowback on this.

A rich and powerful white guy takes on a rich and powerful white guy.

Key differences :

One of them is not accepting PAC/ Super Pac monies/ will not be obligated to the special interests of rich and powerful donors, and

One of them is spending his self made wealth on philanthropy and causes he cares about, and

One is an entertainer who never fails to deliver to his base. When one can blow away the #3 highest polling Republican candidate ( 2016) with “ Look at that face. Who would vote for THAT ? “ says more about his base than anything else.

And I say this as someone who voted Trump in 2016.
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Old 02-23-2020, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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If you were White you didn't have to worry about it in Bloomberg's NY.

(and they disparage The South for Jim Crow)
And if white you would not need to worry about this in October, 2018, when President Trump told Chicago to use Stop & Frisk.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-l...titutional-and

And here he is in 2016 advocating for Stop & Frisk and attributed it to Giuliani. Never made mention of Bloomberg.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...-and-frisk.cnn

An aide tries to qualify Trump’s position by the number of stops. What else would a loyal employee say?
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Old 02-23-2020, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida, Support our police
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I actually performed hundreds of stop and frisks from working in the NYPD. There is nothing wrong with stop and frisk. However the way it was conducted under Bloomberg was wrong. It became a numbers game. There were plenty of people that never should have been stopped. Bloomberg is a phony. The cops were pressured daily to bring in a quota of SQF's(250's). It was all directed under the leadership of Bloomberg!
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Old 02-23-2020, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Trump is a long time advocate for Stop and Frisk , including while POTUS.

And here’s Trump criticizing MB for it.

It’s a curious thing that Trump has not received blowback on this.

A rich and powerful white guy takes on a rich and powerful white guy.

Key differences :

One of them is not accepting PAC/ Super Pac monies/ will not be obligated to the special interests of rich and powerful donors, and

One of them is spending his self made wealth on philanthropy and causes he cares about, and

One is an entertainer who never fails to deliver to his base. When one can blow away the #3 highest polling Republican candidate ( 2016) with “ Look at that face. Who would vote for THAT ? “ says more about his base than anything else.

And I say this as someone who voted Trump in 2016.
Trump isn't receiving blowback for it because it would mean keeping the issue alive and further tarnishing who many media types think has the "best shot" () at beating Trump. And you know the liberal media types don't want to do that.

Likewise, Bloomberg's campaign won't call out Trump for the issue for the same reason. They want the issue to die out. By calling Trump out, they would keep the issue alive and well.

That said, I wager Trump is calling out Bloomberg for it to give him a taste of the left's own medicine.
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Old 02-23-2020, 01:52 PM
 
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Stop and frisk should have been challenged and in my opinion is illegal. But like all party fruitcakes, if it is their party doing it, it is magically ok.

You all love making fun of the communist bloc "can I see you papers pleaze", yet you all support such BS in the US.

If crime was that bad that the need to suspend the Constitution was needed, then declare martial law.
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Old 02-23-2020, 01:52 PM
 
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I am curious why Democrats criticise their counterparts for supporting a police state when many of the controversial tactics such as Stop and freak, three strikes, curfew, etc around the country were passed by Democrat politicians anyways in the bluest parts of country i.e California and New York during the last three decades. But at the same time give politicians and police who break laws leniency. It's like removing the spike on your brother when you have beam. Please note I don't favor one party over another I believe both seems hypocritical.
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Old 02-23-2020, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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I actually performed hundreds of stop and frisks from working in the NYPD. There is nothing wrong with stop and frisk. However the way it was conducted under Bloomberg was wrong. It became a numbers game. There were plenty of people that never should have been stopped. Bloomberg is a phony. The cops were pressured daily to bring in a quota of SQF's(250's). It was all directed under the leadership of Bloomberg!





That is the issue when a program, a tool that the cops can use to remove dangerous weapons, drugs and people from society turns into a political game.



I think most cops that walk or drive a neighborhood day after day know who the bad actors are but more often they are not allowed by the PC politicians to do their jobs by removing these people until the do something really bad. Stealing, beating up people, dealing drugs, using a gun in a crime just doesn't carry the same severity it once did even 10 years ago.



As in my example where the officer stopped those young guys with the case of beer to check their ID's, I'm sure they were not happy about it but in the end the officer was doing his job in preventing a possible crime and possibly much worse when later that night those 2 now drunk kids go out for a drive and either crash or run over someone. Who knows but letting them walk out of fear that someone might be offended should not be a concern.



I say that if a cop suspects someone of hiding a weapon or drugs then they should be able to ask questions and then if they get a hunch they should be able to frisk that person without fear of being sued, losing their job or having the SJW's of the world picket the station.
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Old 02-23-2020, 05:51 PM
 
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That is the issue when a program, a tool that the cops can use to remove dangerous weapons, drugs and people from society turns into a political game.



I think most cops that walk or drive a neighborhood day after day know who the bad actors are but more often they are not allowed by the PC politicians to do their jobs by removing these people until the do something really bad. Stealing, beating up people, dealing drugs, using a gun in a crime just doesn't carry the same severity it once did even 10 years ago.



As in my example where the officer stopped those young guys with the case of beer to check their ID's, I'm sure they were not happy about it but in the end the officer was doing his job in preventing a possible crime and possibly much worse when later that night those 2 now drunk kids go out for a drive and either crash or run over someone. Who knows but letting them walk out of fear that someone might be offended should not be a concern.



I say that if a cop suspects someone of hiding a weapon or drugs then they should be able to ask questions and then if they get a hunch they should be able to frisk that person without fear of being sued, losing their job or having the SJW's of the world picket the station.
How many more of your rights are you willing to give up? Speech, assembly, etc?
What if the rest of us are not willing to give up our rights?
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Old 02-23-2020, 06:19 PM
 
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YES YOU DO.

I love it when people who have no background in security services and police work think that they have all the answers.

Long story short, the minute they figure out who you don't search, they will seek out those people and convince them to carry for them.

Don't believe me?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...llegedly-find/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sen...ules-1.4904003
yup!
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