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Old 02-29-2020, 08:32 PM
 
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Originally Posted by PedroMartinez View Post
If only you had your facts right.

Other than public unions, the right want people to have the CHOICE to join a union.
They always had the choice. They can look for another place to work where no unions exist.
Only 15% of the workforce is unionized.

Right to work states is the governments meddling in the free market.
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Old 02-29-2020, 08:34 PM
 
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Not to mention that US corporations love to outsource their manufacturing to countries which are ruled by communist political parties like China and Vietnam.
Yep
Watch what the capitalists do, not what they say.
Hopping in bed with Communist countries where workers have no rights cuts through their bull.
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Old 02-29-2020, 08:39 PM
 
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Most US consumers demand cheap products made in places like China.

Would you favor laws that would limit imports?
Consumers did not lobby for trade with China, Big Business did.
Big Business charge whatever the market can afford so when they move to China, they charge the same price and pocket the extra profits.
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Old 02-29-2020, 08:46 PM
 
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Consumers did not lobby for trade with China, Big Business did.
Big Business charge whatever the market can afford so when they move to China, they charge the same price and pocket the extra profits.
Only if they are helped by the government.

No business can form a monopoly without the government.
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Old 02-29-2020, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Which goes to show how absurd it is to call these countries socialist. Socialism means workers having total control over their own workplace.

Its like saying "In democratic France, elections are banned and people have to obey the dictator".
In socialist countries-the government has total control over the workplace-not the workers.
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Old 03-01-2020, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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If you look at the pay in Communist countries like China, The Soviet Union, and North Korea, they all were paid dirt wages.
Your inability to take into consideration relevant factors such as Standard of Living and Cost-of-Living is amusing.

There's a difference between numbers and financial figures.

In the world of mathematics, all the following are true:

29 = 29

12 ≠ 29

6 ≠ 29

40,000 ≠ 100,000

But, math in the world of finances is different, and all the following may be true:

$29 ≠ $29

$12 = $29

$6 = $29

$40,000 = $100,000

The average Romanian earns $340/month or $1.96/hour.

Remarkably, Romania boasts the highest percentage of home-ownership at 90% (as confirmed by the EU Central Bank).

So, who's the slave here?

The person who earns $11.50/hour and can't buy a house or the person who earns $1.96/hour and owns their own home?

If someone gave you a house for free, could you maintain it on $1.96/hour? You know, pay insurance, property taxes, gas/electric, pay your water bill, make repairs?

Sure, Romanians don't have 2,600 sq ft McMansions, but then neither do all Americans. Like many Americans, Romanian homes are 800-1,200 sq ft and not always with a garage.

There are Americans who earn $100,000 and can barely buy a home, and then there are Americans who earn $40,000 and own a McMansion.

It all depends on where you live in the US, because while the Standard of Living is fairly uniform, the Cost-of-Living is not.

There are Americans who at $7.00/hour would be in "poverty" only under federal guidelines, but not their State's guidelines.

There are Americans earning $12.00/hour who are above federal "poverty" guidelines but are in poverty based on their State guidelines.

That's because the federal poverty level is the weighted average of the poverty levels for each of the 48 contiguous States.

Averages can be grossly misleading.

It's not how much you make, it's what you can buy with what you make.

The most bestest private school in India, which is not a "communist" country, is only $659/year.

How many private schools in the US are $659/year?

Even so, the majority of Indians cannot afford $659/year, but many can, and they only make $2,000-$3,000/year.

Do let us know when you come to understand Standard of Living and Cost-of-Living.
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Old 03-01-2020, 12:05 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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How come workers are always paid dirt wages in Communist Countries?


Because everything is free from the government.

And if you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Too bad you couldn't buy it on socialist wages. Or much of anything else.

On the flip side, there's never much to buy in socialist countries. Just long lines to wait in for it to become available... and then it's rationed.

Socialist advocates will insist that's never what socialist countries in tend to do.

But somehow it's what usually happens anyway.
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Old 03-01-2020, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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In Communist China, as well as the Soviet Union, it is banned for workers to organize and form their own unions. Freedom to organize is not allowed.

The right and the Communist Party agree on this one aspect.


No one on the Right is for banning unions.

We're only against making participation in the union mandatory as a condition of employment.
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Old 03-01-2020, 12:40 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Mircea View Post
Your inability to take into consideration relevant factors such as Standard of Living and Cost-of-Living is amusing.

There's a difference between numbers and financial figures.

In the world of mathematics, all the following are true:

29 = 29

12 ≠ 29

6 ≠ 29

40,000 ≠ 100,000

But, math in the world of finances is different, and all the following may be true:

$29 ≠ $29

$12 = $29

$6 = $29

$40,000 = $100,000

The average Romanian earns $340/month or $1.96/hour.

Remarkably, Romania boasts the highest percentage of home-ownership at 90% (as confirmed by the EU Central Bank).

So, who's the slave here?

The person who earns $11.50/hour and can't buy a house or the person who earns $1.96/hour and owns their own home?

If someone gave you a house for free, could you maintain it on $1.96/hour? You know, pay insurance, property taxes, gas/electric, pay your water bill, make repairs?

Sure, Romanians don't have 2,600 sq ft McMansions, but then neither do all Americans. Like many Americans, Romanian homes are 800-1,200 sq ft and not always with a garage.

There are Americans who earn $100,000 and can barely buy a home, and then there are Americans who earn $40,000 and own a McMansion.

It all depends on where you live in the US, because while the Standard of Living is fairly uniform, the Cost-of-Living is not.

There are Americans who at $7.00/hour would be in "poverty" only under federal guidelines, but not their State's guidelines.

There are Americans earning $12.00/hour who are above federal "poverty" guidelines but are in poverty based on their State guidelines.

That's because the federal poverty level is the weighted average of the poverty levels for each of the 48 contiguous States.

Averages can be grossly misleading.

It's not how much you make, it's what you can buy with what you make.

The most bestest private school in India, which is not a "communist" country, is only $659/year.

How many private schools in the US are $659/year?

Even so, the majority of Indians cannot afford $659/year, but many can, and they only make $2,000-$3,000/year.

Do let us know when you come to understand Standard of Living and Cost-of-Living.
People like him actually vote. The horror!
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Old 03-01-2020, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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No one on the Right is for banning unions.

We're only against making participation in the union mandatory as a condition of employment.
I'm on the Right, and I am for banning public sector unions only.

Public sector unions organize government-employed Americans against non-government employed Americans (taxpayers). This conflict should not be created or tolerated.

Also, since there is no profit imperitive in gov't worker unions, there's no financial checks and balances to keep the union demands & contracts in check. Gov't worker unions negotiate for Cadillac health plans, crazy unsustainable pensions plans, and wages ~2x the U.S. median. This has led to a terrible imbalance between public and private employer compensation packages, high taxes, and public debt.

Government worker American's banding together against taxpaying Americans for neccesary services, should not be tolerated. What happens if/when the police go on strike? firefighters? teachers? air traffic controllers? TSA? immigration workers? Bad things happen, and then the feds have to step in to take action. Then, we have Americans fighting with Americans over money that is 100% American taxpayer funded.

The private sector can have all the unions they want, because there's the profit imperitive. The unions can ask/demand all they want, but it if kills the employers profitability, their demands will not be met, or the company may close, or outsource elsewhere, or automate away the jobs. In this scenario, its unionized workers against management and shareholders...not the entire American public.

Here is what government worker unions have caused:

Only 13% of private sector workers have pensions, while 78% of government workers have them. The private sector has proven that pensions are unsustainable. Almost all gov't pension plans are improperly funded, and are thus unsustainable. See Chicago, Illinois, and New Jersey Teachers for the worst cases.

The average federal gov't worker salary is ~$90,000 (for 1 person), median American income is $53,819 per household (more than 1 person).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewb.../#764a42f562e5

Government workers have much more valuable healthcare insurance coverages too...like Cadillac healthplans..

https://www.washingtonpolicy.org/pub...-and-taxpayers

This compensation imbalance is leading to underfunded public sector penson plans (almost all of them), massive government debt, and occasionally, to disruptions in essential services.
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