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Old 03-14-2020, 02:49 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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If you could snap your fingers and make all the illegal aliens vanish from inside the U.S., what makes you think we would have any fewer homeless American citizens?
So, you're saying we shouldn't prioritize American citizens over foreign nationals who have no legal right to be in the United States?
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Old 03-14-2020, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Have you ever noticed that most homeless people in cities across the U.S. appear to be native-born Americans while illegal aliens who can barely speak English are working in jobs and living in homes and apartments? Does anybody see anything wrong with this picture?

How did we get to this situation?
The homeless are often addicts or mentally ill, or both, while the illegals are healthy and wiling to work. They are not homeless because of illegals.
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Old 03-14-2020, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Austin
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America is a country of 320,000,000 people. 10s of thousands are seriously mentally ill, addicted, and under our laws, can refuse treatment and live as they wish....even when they choose to disobey local laws in some of our most liberal cities by ****ting on the sidewalk, camping in public places, being drunk in public, threatening or physically attacking taxpaying citizens, or taking drugs in sight of police officers. offenses other americans would be arrested for committing.

the illegal population is a completely different issue than the american homeless issue.
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Old 03-14-2020, 03:43 PM
 
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America is a country of 320,000,000 people. 10s of thousands are seriously mentally ill, addicted, and under our laws, can refuse treatment and live as they wish....even when they choose to disobey local laws in some of our most liberal cities by ****ting on the sidewalk, camping in public places, being drunk in public, threatening or physically attacking taxpaying citizens, or taking drugs in sight of police officers. offenses other americans would be arrested for committing.

the illegal population is a completely different issue than the american homeless issue.
Not necessarily, not all homeless are mentally ill or addicted to drugs. If illegal aliens weren't here it would open up jobs for those who are not of the above.

I'm sure that not all illegal aliens are working either. Many of them are probably homeless also. Isn't it bad enough that we have our own homeless problem to deal with?
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Old 03-14-2020, 04:21 PM
 
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So, you're saying we shouldn't prioritize American citizens over foreign nationals who have no legal right to be in the United States?
Many are not considered citizens or at least not first class citizens in the first place, so no one really cares whether or not they live anywhere. Most would be satisfied enough to see those they think of as second class or considered societal nuisances such as those on SSI fall off the edge of the earth anyhow than allow them to retain independent housing. Believe me, people out there will do things to disrupt the well being of those in already challenging circumstances by messing with their cars (if fortunate enough to have one), stealing from them, or starting some other sort of trouble just to ruin their lives. So no, prioritizing will never happen. Businesses are in business to make money. If illegals make them more money, that's good enough.
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Old 03-14-2020, 04:30 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Thanks to Liberals, you cannot force the mentally ill to take their medication and you are not allowed to force the mentally ill into any institutionalized environment where the mentally ill may be properly supervised, whether that is a group home or group care facility or a mental health facility.
Republican policies stopped the mentally ill from taking their medication and being in an institutionalized environment. This was caused by Reagan, GW Bush, and Trump all giving the richest 1% of Americans huge tax cuts, and then cutting funding for mental health programs and institutions.

Reagan gave the wealthy huge tax cuts, then Reagan cut funding for community mental health centers.
https://www.insidesources.com/reagan...ilure-workers/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental...ms_Act_of_1980

GW Bush gave the wealthy huge tax cuts, then Bush cut funding for drug treatment centers and other programs used by the mentally ill.
https://www.cbpp.org/research/federa...-bush-tax-cuts
https://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/04/u...c-changes.html
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...59986820080204


Donald Trump gave the richest 1% of Americans $1.1 trillion dollars in tax cuts.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetno...nalysis-finds/
https://time.com/4993389/tax-cuts-your-children/

Trumps budget then cuts $17.9 billion from the Department of Health and Human Services (a government agency that helps the mentally ill and homeless.)
https://www.mhanational.org/blog/how...lth-conditions

Trumps budget cuts $8.8 billion from HUD (HUD helps the mentally ill and those in danger of being homeless.)
https://nlihc.org/news/update-presid...bruary-12-2018

Trump budget cuts SNAP by more than $213 billion (SNAP is used by the mentally ill and homeless.)
https://www.cbpp.org/research/federa...ce-for-low-and

Trump wants to literally eliminate the US Interagency Council on Homelessness (a agency that solely helps the homeless.)
https://prospect.org/economy/trump-s...-homelessness/
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...essness-agency

Trump's budget cuts homeless assistance grants.
https://www.housingfinance.com/polic...homelessness_o

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The remainder are veterans who refuse to seek treatment at a VA facility where they would receive free everything, and also get paid and also get mental health and substance abuse counseling as well as financial counseling and relationship counseling and get chauffeured around for free to find a job and then get chauffeured around for free to get housing paid for by the tax-payers through the HUD-VASH program.
Trump wants to cut $154 billion dollars of veterans benefits over the next decade. These budget cuts will decrease 1 million veterans Social Security Disability benefits, cause 400,000 veterans to lose access to critical nutrition assistance, cut funding for veteran job training and employment services, and cut rental assistance for 340,000 low-income veterans.
https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...ying-veterans/
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/12/tru...-care-of-them/

Trumps budget cuts financial support for aging and disabled veterans and an estimated 225,000 could lose government payments.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/...bled-vets.html

Trump wants to cut veterans disability benefits and use those funds to pay for VA Privatization. And Trumps privatization plan would cut veterans with disabilities benefits by nearly two-thirds.
https://www.afge.org/article/trump-b...privatization/

Trump has ended programs that house homeless veterans.
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/12/tru...-care-of-them/

Trump plans to cut the "unemployability benefit" for veterans. Trump's proposed cuts would impact about 225,000 veterans and take $3.6 billion dollars from them, and Trump wants to transfer that funding to profit-making medical providers.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/...bled-vets.html

Trumps healthcare policies if enacted would cause an estimated 579,000 veterans to loose their Medicaid coverage within a decade.
https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...ying-veterans/


In total Trumps budget cuts $3.6 trillion dollars from government programs used by the mentally ill, the homeless, veterans, and low income Americans.
Trump budget cuts spending by $3.6 trillion over 10 years, with deep cuts to safety net - Chicago Tribune


Which would greater decrease America's mental health, drug abuse, homelessness, and veteran proplems?

a.) Trillions of dollars in budget cuts for mental institutions, drug abuse programs, homeless programs, and veteran programs (and transfering that funding to the wealthy via tax cuts.)

b. Having well funded mental institutions, drug abuse programs, homeless programs, and veteran programs.

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Old 03-14-2020, 04:41 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Thanks to Liberals, you cannot force the mentally ill to take their medication and you are not allowed to force the mentally ill into any institutionalized environment where the mentally ill may be properly supervised, whether that is a group home or group care facility or a mental health facility.
Not allowing the mentally ill to be FORCED to take their medication is republican policy (not liberal policy.)

Example, In 1967 governor Ronald Reagan signed the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act and ended "the practice of institutionalizing patients against their will, or for indefinite amounts of time."
https://www.kqed.org/news/11209729/d...elessness-here

Republicans abolished the laws that forced the mentally ill to take their medication, and republicans abolished the laws that allowed the mentally ill to be put into mental institutions against their will.
https://sites.psu.edu/psy533wheeler/...omment-page-1/

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Old 03-14-2020, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Inlike the assumptions people make in these threads.
They think there’s one answer for a complex situation...
what are your answers, or you're just smart enough like the rest of us to KNOW there's not a one-size-fits-all answer?
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Old 03-14-2020, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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I agree with nearly all you said in your original post. Above is just the last paragraph of your post.

I agree that the homeless should NOT be allowed to co-habitate with everyone else because it increases crime, potential contagion, creates waste/trash in public areas, and provided them easy access to alcohol and drugs.

The must be removed, and placed upon unused, or underutized, government owned lands. Their basic needs should be provided for, and volunteer opportunities would abound. They could earn volunteer credits towards earning another chance.

When they left, they'd have to have a sponsor, wear a tracking chip, and submit to regular blood tests for alcohol and drugs. If they fail, they go back. 3 strikes you are out...no more chances.
Yes, the less you have to see them, the more beautiful your world in a bubble appears ! They are not cattle!
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Old 03-14-2020, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Oh the liberal left and ethnocentrics will claim that all of those homeless Americans are just too lazy to work thus the need for millions of cheap, illegal slaves to make the rich, richer. I'm sure there are many lazy homeless but just as many that are willing to work for a fair wage.

these are completely 2 different issues, though the folks incapable of deep thought obviously connote them.


here's but one quick amount of actual data. this **** isn't hard to google, people, and just understand source or date.

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18% are chronically homeless (HUD 2018).
7% are unaccompanied youth under 25 (HUD 2018).
7% are veterans (HUD 2018).
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