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And it was pushed on veterans with no clinical trial, with results not in line with what Trump proclaimed.
You're proud of that?
What do you thin NY is doing... You think they bought 700k of the drug to not test it on people... For a governor and mayor who doesn't believe... They sure don't act like it... The governor of Michigan penalize doctors for using it, right before she said they should use it if they wanted to... Are you proud of that.. or maybe Tom Hanks and his wife and every rich person getting it.. right after they claim it didn't work until they got sick...
You couldn't give a rats arse about your brethren when you come in here lacking any scientific knowledge proclaiming that you the truth when you know Jack crap...
You don't know horse crap from an apple. All you do is tout the Trump line.
I was a medic in the Army- how did you serve? Let me guess- you didn't. You were a coward. Like Trump.
They tested Trumps 'miracle cocktail' on Vets, moron. Put your head on for Christ's sake. They were on top of it and provided the data.
OK I agree you are correct. But it is only one of the Universities involved and the outcome is still the same. The cocktail does not work in practice. Fewer survive with it than without it.
No, you have no basis for making that statement. The study does not support your claim.
No, you have no basis for making that statement. The study does not support your claim.
Fewer survived with Hydroxychloroquine according to the study; granted, they did not give a clear determination on the “cocktail“ in their closing remarks.
“Patients not treated with hydroxychloroquine (No HC) had the lowest rate of death compared to the HC and HC+AZ cohorts”.
“On the contrary, hydroxychloroquine use alone was associated with an increased risk of mortality compared to standard care alone.”
“Specifically, hydroxychloroquine use with or without co-administration of azithromycin did not improve mortality....”
“ This paper represents original research conducted using data from the Department of Veterans Affairs and is, in part, the result of work supported with resources and the use of facilities at the Dorn Research Institute, Columbia VA Health Care System, Columbia, South Carolina.”
Yes, the authors are from both Virginia and South Carolina. That does not make it a “Virginia Study” as the other poster is claiming.
VA can be an abbreviation for both the state of Virginia and the Veterans Administration. The very existence of this conversation shows that it needs to be disambiguated.
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You dispute the VA ran a study? It's the one that ran with it AFTER the President touted it. ON VETERANS.
The VA did not run a study at all. The study was an analysis of medical records only.
The drugs are not being used only on veterans, and someone had to give consent for it to be used, either the patient or his family.
Considering the age of people most likely to be treated in a VA hospital, it is a high risk population to begin with.
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Originally Posted by Threerun
And it was pushed on veterans with no clinical trial, with results not in line with what Trump proclaimed.
In the study of 368 patients, 97 patients who took hydroxychloroquine had a 27.8% death rate. The 158 patients who did not take the drug had an 11.4% death rate.
"An association of increased overall mortality was identified in patients treated with hydroxychloroquine alone. These findings highlight the importance of awaiting the results of ongoing prospective, randomized, controlled studies before widespread adoption of these drugs," wrote the authors, who work at the Columbia VA Health Care System in South Carolina, the University of South Carolina and the University of Virginia.
VA can be an abbreviation for both the state of Virginia and the Veterans Administration. The very existence of this conversation shows that it needs to be disambiguated.
The VA did not run a study at all. The study was an analysis of medical records only.
The drugs are not being used only on veterans, and someone had to give consent for it to be used, either the patient or his family.
Considering the age of people most likely to be treated in a VA hospital, it is a high risk population to begin with.
How do you know it was "pushed" on veterans?
I’m well aware that VA can stand for both Virginia and the Department of Veterans Affairs; UVA would have been far more appropriate an abbreviation to use by the poster as there was little affiliation with the study to the state itself.
VA can be an abbreviation for both the state of Virginia and the Veterans Administration. The very existence of this conversation shows that it needs to be disambiguated.
The VA did not run a study at all. The study was an analysis of medical records only.
The drugs are not being used only on veterans, and someone had to give consent for it to be used, either the patient or his family.
Considering the age of people most likely to be treated in a VA hospital, it is a high risk population to begin with.
How do you know it was "pushed" on veterans?
Are you serious? Vet's are subjected to 'optional' methods quite a bit. And no, the age isn't high risk- we've had soldiers coming home in the VA system for DECADES. These folks are younger than me- in their 30's and 40's. Most in decent shape.
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