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Old 03-19-2020, 05:51 AM
 
Location: NC
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Why not guarantee every able-bodied American a job:
-Redeploy Americans to fight COVID (making resparators, shipping, stocking shelves, etc.)
-Fix our roads, bridges, infrastructure
-Clean up our roadsides, pick up trash, etc.
-Deliver Groceries to the elderly
-etc....


In otherwords, let's use this downtime, and the money we NEED to spend to keep the economy running to fight the crisis AND to make positive and needed changes to America's aging infrastructure. Not everyone is a civil engineer, but most people know how to work a shovel, and those who can't can drive, or do administrative works, or.....

If Trump did this, he would:
-Keep the economy moving
-effect long-lasting and needed updates to American infrastructure
-have a positive effect on fighting COVID-19
-Avoid being a hypocrite (he has railed against socialistic ideas)
-Probably have the support of his base
-Might gain the support from some outside his base
-Avoid contributing to a dependent population that will still want their handouts long after the crisis is over
-reduce, not add to the US Dept
-etc....



Bill Clinton promoted Workfare over Wellfare. Now would be a good time to continue that mindset...

 
Old 03-19-2020, 05:53 AM
 
Location: Boston
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call your governor, see what they say.
 
Old 03-19-2020, 05:56 AM
 
Location: NC
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Originally Posted by skeddy View Post
call your governor, see what they say.
Either stay on topic, or don't respond at all. My governer is not sending checks, the FEDS are. I am talking about a national response.

Do you think my suggestion is a good idea, or bad? If you can't answer that question, then just don't reply. Simple....
 
Old 03-19-2020, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Boston
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Originally Posted by Myghost View Post
Either stay on topic, or don't respond at all. My governer is not sending checks, the FEDS are. I am talking about a national response.

Do you think my suggestion is a good idea, or bad? If you can't answer that question, then just don't reply. Simple....
bad idea, CDC guidelines wouldn't allow it from the start. Grab a shovel? ...lol

Simple.
 
Old 03-19-2020, 06:14 AM
 
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FDR looks up from hell and smiles at your suggestion. Yes the same FDR who prolonged the depression with his various "works" schemes.

Govt spending your money doesn't keep an economy moving, it distorts it and prevents it from healing on its own
 
Old 03-19-2020, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
FDR looks up from hell and smiles at your suggestion. Yes the same FDR who prolonged the depression with his various "works" schemes.

Govt spending your money doesn't keep an economy moving, it distorts it and prevents it from healing on its own
Pretty sad rewrite of history.
 
Old 03-19-2020, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
16,759 posts, read 8,220,852 times
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Myghost View Post
Why not guarantee every able-bodied American a job:
-Redeploy Americans to fight COVID (making resparators, shipping, stocking shelves, etc.)
-Fix our roads, bridges, infrastructure
-Clean up our roadsides, pick up trash, etc.
-Deliver Groceries to the elderly
-etc....


In otherwords, let's use this downtime, and the money we NEED to spend to keep the economy running to fight the crisis AND to make positive and needed changes to America's aging infrastructure. Not everyone is a civil engineer, but most people know how to work a shovel, and those who can't can drive, or do administrative works, or.....

If Trump did this, he would:
-Keep the economy moving
-effect long-lasting and needed updates to American infrastructure
-have a positive effect on fighting COVID-19
-Avoid being a hypocrite (he has railed against socialistic ideas)
-Probably have the support of his base
-Might gain the support from some outside his base
-Avoid contributing to a dependent population that will still want their handouts long after the crisis is over
-reduce, not add to the US Dept
-etc....



Bill Clinton promoted Workfare over Wellfare. Now would be a good time to continue that mindset...
Sounds like a good idea. Keep money moving through the system. Still in current situation, health issues get in the way.
 
Old 03-19-2020, 06:29 AM
 
Location: NC
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
FDR looks up from hell and smiles at your suggestion. Yes the same FDR who prolonged the depression with his various "works" schemes.

Govt spending your money doesn't keep an economy moving, it distorts it and prevents it from healing on its own
You were one of the people I was thinking of when I wrote this post (While I don't always agree with you, I respect your opinions, and respect you for remaining mostly consistent in your views).

So my question to you, Frank: While I see you don't like the New Deal approach, do you like (at least) more than just "handing out free checks"?

I don't think the checks are a great idea. I'll cash mine, if I get one, but I think of most kids, and most people who need it most. It's only a week or two of pay, whereas my suggestion is ongoing. And it only boosts the economy for a short time, whereas my suggestions will have longer lasting benefits.

No idea is without flaws. Just brainstorming. What do you think would be the best approach? (If I had to guess, I think your stance would be "government stays out of it, let the cards fall where they fall"?)

Just looking for a discussion, and hoping to keep it positive. (Skeddy-like responses really don't help anything)
 
Old 03-19-2020, 06:31 AM
 
Location: NC
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Originally Posted by Boss View Post
Pretty sad rewrite of history.
Agreed, but to his credit, he has been incredibly consistent over time. (I say that without veiled insults, he has been 'hands-off' and "anti-both-parties' for as long as I've been on these boards.)

I do respect that he does not flip-flop when it's convenient.

Last edited by Myghost; 03-19-2020 at 06:48 AM.. Reason: grammar (closed parenthesis)
 
Old 03-19-2020, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Paradise
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I don't think it's as easy as that.


Amazon is hiring (over 100,000) to help with filling orders and deliveries. And I'm sure many other delivery services are hiring. Can we force people to apply for these jobs?


Do we force people to volunteer while they are off work (or laid off or whatever) to deliver stuff to the elderly?


There's a bit more to building roads and bridges than "knowing how to work a shovel" (and yes, I am a civil engineer).


For our office, it's business as usual. For construction projects, they still need to follow various state and federal guidelines for advertisement, etc. To hire new folks (even temporarily) we would still need to follow normal hiring practices.


Even for us to work from home requires special insurance by our employer. Can it be done? Yeah, but it would require the feds AND the states to relax various laws, codes, and ordinances and even if this is bad, I'm not sure we should do all that for what is, in the end, a temporary problem.
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