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Old 03-24-2020, 02:28 AM
 
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With a death rate at 1.3 the US is lower than every country but South Korea who is at 1.2

The experts say repeatedly its due to Trump's early action on travel restrictions !!! Did you know that ?

I really wish right-wingers would stop and read the nonsense they write before they hit the post button.

1. How did you come up with this nonsensical idea of linking death rate with travel restriction?? Death rate is just that - rate of death - every disease has a death rate, it doesn't change with travel restriction.

2. Absolutely NO expert would ever say something as stupid as travel restriction lowers death rate!!? They may say it lowers the number of infections, but that's not death rate. You are just making it up.

3. Our rate of infections is now on pace to explode. The Surgeon General just send out a warning yesterday.

4. The death rate has NEVER been the problem - it's the insane hospitalization rate of 20%!! We. Will. Run. Out. Of. Healthcare. That's the problem.

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Old 03-24-2020, 04:00 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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With a death rate at 1.3 the US is lower than every country but South Korea who is at 1.2

The experts say repeatedly its due to Trump's early action on travel restrictions !!!
Did you know that ?


Links?

HINT: Trump crediting himself is irrelevant.

And just exactly WHOM are you alleging to be "experts"?
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Old 03-24-2020, 04:03 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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There is a time to act like a authoritarian, and times of crisis are it. Trump has been acting that way since day 1, but now when thats actually needed, when we need someone willing to make hard choices he is failing at it.

If you want to see authoritarian, go look at what they did to the doctor in China who tried to warn the world about this virus. Then we can have a discussion on authoritarianism and tyranny.

And WW2 was a time to exercise authoritarianism. This is not that. Nor is it in any way worse than what we've dealt with, in terms of outbreaks, in the past.
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Old 03-24-2020, 05:38 AM
 
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I really wish right-wingers would stop and read the nonsense they write before they hit the post button.
You lead off with a political statement and it exposes your intent !!! It ignores what everyone knows !!! A virus has no political intent !!! People give it that intent for political gain and in doing so mislead others !!!

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1. How did you come up with this nonsensical idea of linking death rate with travel restriction?? Death rate is just that - rate of death - every disease has a death rate, it doesn't change with travel restriction.
Everything is related !!! The seriousness is related to the death rate but the death rate is the end game that measures the ultimate effect of the virus !!! Its not the only measurement but when we look at past pandemics they all list the estimate of deaths !!!

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2. Absolutely NO expert would ever say something as stupid as travel restriction lowers death rate!!? They may say it lowers the number of infections, but that's not death rate. You are just making it up.
Here your statement really highlights your ignorance on the subject and inability to reason !!!

Thats exactly what the experts are saying but saying it in a way you don't seem to be able to understand !!! Lets keep it simple b/c it is !!! Intelligent people often can't understand or overlook the simplest of things !!! I'm going to stick with the simplest explanation of the facts without offering opinion !!!

A pandemic is directly related to travel !!! Its in the definition !!! Travel of the virus !!! A virus that doesn't travel can't be a pandemic !!! This simple fact you overlook or ignore !!! It doesn't suite your political intent that's for sure !!!


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3. Our rate of infections is now on pace to explode. The Surgeon General just send out a warning yesterday.
That's a Trump appointed Surgeon General !!! Rightwing appointment !!! Why would you listen to him when ITS CONTRAIRY TO YOUR OPENING STATEMENT IN YOUR POST !!!

The infection pace is directly related to travel !!! Travel of the virus !!! Sometimes call spread !!!

Spread = travel !!! If its not spreading its not traveling !!! Fairly simple to understand that fact !!!

Everything is related to travel of the virus !!! Washing hands is a travel restriction !!! It prevents transportation to an opening in the body the virus requires to do its damage !!! Its a respiratory virus !!! It can't pierce the skin to gain entry !!! It doesn't travel that way according to the experts !!!

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4. The death rate has NEVER been the problem - it's the insane hospitalization rate of 20%!! We. Will. Run. Out. Of. Healthcare. That's the problem.
Hospitalization rate is directly related to the travel of the virus and the death rate !!! People who have the virus don't want to die !!! Their best chance to prevent their own death is seek help and end up in the hospital where they hope to get it !!!
The number of deaths is like a score card for the virus !!! Preventing the virus from scoring is the goal of the healthcare system/professionals !!! Its an end game measurement of the virus's victory and it gives a clue of who is winning until the virus runs it course too !!! Its all related !!! That's why they keep track of the mortality rate !!!

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Here I'll give you the simple information in the simplest way possible !!!

A virus in a test tube never introduced into the human population has potential to score but has zero ( 0 ) on its score card !!!

Facilitate its travel from the test tube and introduce it to one person and the potential is unleashed !!!
Restrict the travel of the virus to just that one person through travel restrictions and there is no pandemic !!! Sometimes call quarantine !!!
Its all about travel restriction of the virus !!! As I said, even washing hands is a travel restriction, to the virus !!!
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Old 03-24-2020, 06:38 AM
 
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Links?

HINT: Trump crediting himself is irrelevant.

And just exactly WHOM are you alleging to be "experts"?
Apparently you don't have the basic information on the subject !!!

Correct that !!! Then enter the discussion for everyone's benefit !!!
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Old 03-24-2020, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Boydton, VA
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"Damned if he does, and damned if he doesn’t".....no, he's just damned......damned stupid fool.

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Old 03-24-2020, 06:48 AM
 
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Trump should have shut down NY State 10+ days ago. I wonder why he didn't?

Speaking of # of cases, how is it that jam-packed next-door India doesn't have more cases?
It is NY state’s job to shut down, lock down NY state. NOT the federal government.
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Old 03-24-2020, 07:02 AM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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With a death rate at 1.3 the US is lower than every country but South Korea who is at 1.2

The experts say repeatedly its due to Trump's early action on travel restrictions !!! Did you know that ?
I'm really sick of hearing about "Trump's early action on travel restrictions." It was too little, too late.

This is still in the early stages. My county still doesn't have a case of Covid-19. Since we still haven't don that much testing, the death rate is a irrelevant statistic.
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Old 03-24-2020, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Florida
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......and they call Trump a tyrant?

https://thepostmillennial.com/breaki...e-consequences

Trudeau tells Canadians to "stay at home" or face the consequences

Sounds very Authoritarian to me.
If this makes Trudeau a tyrant, then wouldn't it make Trump a tyrant too.

This is your standard, not mine.
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Old 03-24-2020, 07:28 AM
 
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It is NY state’s job to shut down, lock down NY state. NOT the federal government.
You win the prize! The USA is a Republic with most powers going to the States. It is up to the Governors to determine Shut Downs go their own Economies. The President gave guidelines and a Timeline drawn up by the Pandemic Taskforce ... he asked for cooperation and his Taskforce gives long Press Conferences daily.

Interesting that the Leftists are demanding the President go outside of his Constitutional Authorization and Shut Down this entire Nation. I suspect that would help them a lot in November, and the screams on the TeeVee would be almost instantaneous of “DICTATOR/HITLER !!!

We will find out what the President and Taskforce propose next on about April 1.
Until then, there is no point in speculation.
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