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Right off the bat - I want to say that provided the details were well-done, I would support a national healthcare system.
My point is Bernie Sanders is factually incorrect when he claims that "the US is the only first world country that doesn't have healthcare as a human right."
Points that prove Bernie Wrong:
(1) Thailand is the only nation on Earth where all people get free healthcare regardless of their status legal, illegal, their status as a vacationer, etc...
If all 1st World Countries truly saw healthcare as a human right - then wouldn't they offer it for free to all people within their borders regardless of their legal, traveling, etc status?
(2) All 1st World Countries have immigration laws that enable people who are having their "human rights" violated to move and get a legal status in their country. Human rights violated such as persecution due to politics, or religion, or race, or even gender, etc...
What is the list of 1st World Countries that list "don't have access to free healthcare" as a human right in their special immigration section. <crickets>
For a fact, Bernie Sanders is wrong when he says that the US is the only 1st World Country that doesn't offer free healthcare as a human right. This doesn't mean we shouldn't have a national healthcare system - but he is 100% wrong on that point.
If he were being honest/correct he would phrase it as "The US is the only 1st World Country that doesn't offer free Healthcare as a service to its citizens."
This is sort of like Bernie claiming Denmark is socialist. It sounds good, but it isn't true. By definition Denmark isn't socialist, which is why their leader told Bernie to stop saying it.
So basically this is citizen vs. migrant discussion.
Curious...which other first world countries do not offer free healthcare to its citizens and legal residents? Interested in knowing that.
No it is a Bernie is factually incorrect on this point discussion and that I now hear people including media people repeating the lie.
For a fact, ZERO 1st world countries considers free health care a human right - otherwise they would put it in their human rights section of special immigration codes and they wouldn't deny it to people in their borders.
All 1st world countries deny free healthcare at least for a time to some groups of people - because they don't truly see it as a human right - they all deny it to at least 1 group of people it could even be legal immigrants for a time, illegal immigrants, vacationers, etc.
I freely admit that Bernie would be correct if he said "the US is the only 1st world country on earth that doesn't offer healthcare as a free service to its citizens."
I also freely admit that Bernie is correct that we should have a national healthcare system, at least to the point of providing free healthcare to citizens like other 1st world countries.
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Originally Posted by Cape Cod Todd
Human healthcare is a human Right but it all comes down to who is going to pay the bill.
And that is precisecly why zero 1st world countries actually list free healthcare as a human right. They don't want to foot the world's healthcare bill.
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Of course Bernie overstates stuff. That's why he's not the candidate
Even people in the media are repeating it so it is important to point out that it is not true.
I'm not really against the idea of the US having a sort of catch all healthcare system for poor people.....but if the people really want that, they need to restructure quite a few things in the country and they'll have to accept the fact that the system will offer poor service similar to the VA and it'll be VERY expensive. Certainly it would be better than nothing though.
In order to get that system, the borders would have to be sealed, and tens of millions of illegals would have to be deported. That's simply a prerequisite. If that's acceptable, then we can continue the conversation, if it's not, let's just end it there.
I'm not really against the idea of the US having a sort of catch all healthcare system for poor people.....but if the people really want that, they need to restructure quite a few things in the country and they'll have to accept the fact that the system will offer poor service similar to the VA and it'll be VERY expensive. Certainly it would be better than nothing though.
In order to get that system, the borders would have to be sealed, and tens of millions of illegals would have to be deported. That's simply a prerequisite. If that's acceptable, then we can continue the conversation, if it's not, let's just end it there.
If we do get a national healthcare system, we will likely have to include illegal immigrants to some degree, even if it is just a small payment like some countries do. We have more illegal immigrants than most countries and they comprise a large sector of the economy.
But that isn't my point, my point is that Bernie Sanders is factually wrong with his claim.
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There is a right to emergency health care in most countries, as very few civilised countries are going to ignore someone who has collapsed in the street or who has been involved in an accident such as a car crash.
In terms of a right to certain drugs or treatments as part of an on-going condition, the European Court of Human Rights has set a precedent whereby you have no automatic right to a treatment or pharma drug.
There is a right to emergency health care in most countries, as very few civilised countries are going to ignore someone who has collapsed in the street or who has been involved in an accident such as a car crash.
In terms of a right to certain drugs or treatments as part of an on-going condition, the European Court of Human Rights has set a precedent whereby you have no automatic right to a treatment or pharma drug.
Thailand is the only country on earth that allows anyone in their borders to get free healthcare.
Some of those 1st world countries will give you emergency treatment and then try to stick you with a bill if you aren't a citizen. It isn't therefore a human right there.
Some of those 1st world countries deny you regular non-emergency free healthcare if you are only there on vacation, an illegal immigrant, legal migrant but not there long enough, etc... It isn't therefore a human right there.
Those same 1st world countries do not put it in as a provision under violation of human rights for immigration if someone doesn't have healthcare. It isn't a human right.
For a fact...Bernie Sanders is wrong when he says the US is the only 1st world country on earth to not give free health care as a human right.
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Thailand is the only country on earth that allows anyone in their borders to get free healthcare.
Some of those 1st world countries will give you emergency treatment and then try to stick you with a bill if you aren't a citizen. It isn't therefore a human right there.
Some of those 1st world countries deny you regular non-emergency free healthcare if you are only there on vacation, an illegal immigrant, legal migrant but not there long enough, etc... It isn't therefore a human right there.
Those same 1st world countries do not put it in as a provision under violation of human rights for immigration if someone doesn't have healthcare. It isn't a human right.
For a fact...Bernie Sanders is wrong when he says the US is the only 1st world country on earth to not give free health care as a human right.
For a fact it is a right of citizens.
Most countries will help you if you have an accifdent or collapse and may even forgo charging you in such situations however you wouldn't expect any country to allow people to turn up aand expectexpensive free treatments as a right for some medical condition they have.
There is also no human rights in relation to demanding a pharma drug or treatment and it's generally up to each nation to decide on treatments and not the human rights courts who have consistently ruled in favour of nations making up their own policies.
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