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Old 04-29-2020, 04:06 PM
 
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In South Korea, there were initially suggestions that some coronavirus patients who had recovered appeared to have become 'reinfected'. This would have substantially destroyed the idea of human immunity and made the pursuit of a vaccine and also antibody testing entirely pointless.

Of course those among us who thrive on promoting fear, panic and terror were eager to promote this idea - including here in this forum - even though it was always likely there were other reasonable explanations.

Today researchers in South Korea have discovered the reason for the apparent 'reinfections'. In fact, these were tests that produced 'false positive' results, not because they had contract the virus again, but because remaining 'virus fragments' were detected. They go on to confirm that immunity is maintained for "over a year" and perhaps quite a lot longer.

From the Korea Biomedical Review:

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Korean researchers: COVID patients were not reinfected, Tests were false positives

The reason 263 Korean people’s testing positive after recovery from the new coronavirus seemed to have been not because they contracted the virus again, but because remaining virus fragments were detected, health experts said.

The Central Clinical Committee for Emerging Disease Control, composed of physicians and experts treating Covid-19 patients in the nation, held a news conference at the National Medical Center on Wednesday to explain the possibility of the coronavirus reactivation or reinfection.

Oh Myung-don, who heads the committee, said the reactivation of the coronavirus is impossible because the Covid-19 virus does not cause chronic inflammation by going through a latent phase after invading the host gene.

“If we look at the results of the coronavirus (HCoV-229E) study on humans or the current Covid-19 virus (SARS-CoV2) study on animals, the immunity in vivo is maintained for more than one year after the first virus infection,” Oh said. “Thus, it is improbable that a person could contract another coronavirus.”
Of course if the suggestion that people could be reinfected was correct and that a hundred years or more of biological science underlying the basic principles of immunology were obsolete was correct, that would mean we would be utterly helpless and perhaps without hope of defending ourselves against this or any other similar virus.

Which is good news if you are a authoritarian control freak who is obsessed with centralized micromanaging government control being established over the population, above and beyond any other concerns. But for everyone else, it would be terrible and terrifying in the extreme. And even moreseo if these authoritarian control freaks were to seize control and get their way.

As far as the people among us who thrive on promoting fear, panic and terror, there is something very wrong with you, psychologically speaking. If you are one of those people, you should seek professional psychiatric assistance. Please - Get help.
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Old 04-29-2020, 04:30 PM
 
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Today researchers in South Korea have discovered the reason for the apparent 'reinfections'. In fact, these were tests that produced 'false positive' results, not because they had contract the virus again, but because remaining 'virus fragments' were detected. They go on to confirm that immunity is maintained for "over a year" and perhaps quite a lot longer.
Given how they apparently botched the first go-round (at best they should have waited and confirmed their results before publicizing them), why would I place any more faith in what their current narrative is?
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Old 04-29-2020, 04:37 PM
 
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That there are any significant numbers of people among us who wish to promote fear and terror is a looney toons conspiracy theory.

It’s actually the right promoting irrational fear during this crisis.
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Old 04-29-2020, 04:39 PM
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This is good news. Now lets see if the usa media wants to share this.
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Old 04-29-2020, 04:41 PM
 
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I want this to be true. And I hope immunity actually lasts, as that's needed in order for herd immunity to be a viable strategy.

This is promising, but we need reliably accurate testing of a high sample size over the course of months in order to know for sure. I think there was also some promise in a study of monkeys too.
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Old 04-29-2020, 04:47 PM
 
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If true that's excellent news.

Newsweek already published an article on the topic: https://www.newsweek.com/south-korea...-parts-1500998

What has me wondering then is why are 61 recovered SK patients showing symptoms? Is it a response to the virus fragments?
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Old 04-29-2020, 04:52 PM
 
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They go on to confirm that immunity is maintained for "over a year" and perhaps quite a lot longer.
Do they say how this can be known, since the virus was only discovered 6 months ago?
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Old 04-29-2020, 04:56 PM
 
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Of course if the suggestion that people could be reinfected was correct and that a hundred years or more of biological science underlying the basic principles of immunology were obsolete was correct, that would mean we would be utterly helpless and perhaps without hope of defending ourselves against this or any other similar virus.
Incorrect. Immunity is not guaranteed. Lyme disease, HIV, Hepatitus C, and even 2009 H1N1 all have reported cases of reinfection.
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Old 04-29-2020, 04:58 PM
 
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Given how they apparently botched the first go-round (at best they should have waited and confirmed their results before publicizing them), why would I place any more faith in what their current narrative is?
The Korean scientists never actually said that these patients had definitively been 'reinfected'. They were uncertain as to what was happening, but the 'Fake news' mass media, who has been doing their best to promote mass fear and panic around the coronavirus story from early on, leveraged the uncertainty to promote the worst possibilities.
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Old 04-29-2020, 04:58 PM
 
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Do they say how this can be known, since the virus was only discovered 6 months ago?
This is based on animal studies, and thus is not certain in humans. The OP just wanted to rant.
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