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You know, I have sympathy for your position, but you're making it hard right now. Tons of Wehrmacht soldiers did utterly horrific things to civilians who weren't in the fight.The majority of Serbian Jews were murdered by the Wehrmacht, not SS. Or look at the reprisal actions carried out by, if you insist, front line foot soldiers, on the East Front.
They did wrong. Or the word has lost all meaning.
Or maybe you should not jump into the middle of discussion between T10E and I without reading everything.
We were talking about American cops "following orders" and he brought up Nuremberg trials. I had to point out to him that Nuremberg trials were for high ranking Nazis officials, not the average Wehmacht front line soldiers. If he wanted to use that analogy , then he needs to go after high ranking US and state government officials for issuing out orders/laws, not the average front line cops for doing their job.
I try not committing crime, resisting arrest, disrespecting officers, loitering or terrorizing my community, and it worked out really well for me as a black man.
Ironically, the videos to which you refer actually disprove your premise. Given the number of law enforcement personnel in this country and the massive number of daily police-citizen interactions, the fact that there are so few videos showing police malfeasance proves that they're doing a damn good job overall. The relationship can be repaired if the media and internet pundits stop yapping about a systemic "problem" that simply doesn't exist.
The "heroes" of the Thin Blue Line appreciate the licking of the boot, bootlicker.
1. Don't allow the police to police themselves. Give that job to the FBI, any police related shooting needs to be investigated by the FBI. No exceptions.
2. Cops arrested and convicted should not get special treatment. Put them in general population. They made a choice to be criminals, let them dwell with criminals.
3. Any and all Police departments need to reflect the community they are in. 90% white cops in a 90% black community? Yeah that will never work.
4.Body cams, all day everyday, no exceptions, including while in the station.
5. No more lying to people or breaking the laws to get people to violate laws too. Narcs gotta go. Do we allow cops to rape women to catch other rapists? Just saying.
It isn't a complete solution but it is a start.
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Our local police run a very strong traffic stop enforcement on our young people. You also see it on NYPD Live.
Our daughter didn't give a turn signal on the way to church one Sunday morning. She didn't have her driver's license on her. The police had a rollback in the church parking lot hauling my car away--very embarrassing. And expensive to get out of storage too.
Then our daughter forgot to show up for traffic court, and they issued a criminal warrant for her arrest. One night she'd ran out of gas, and the sheriff deputy stopped to help her. They hauled her to jail for the warrant. And she was heavily fined when the next court date came up 2 days later.
To make a long story short, our unemployed daughter has been unable to pay her fines, and more warrants were issued. And she was picked up again and again. and more fines piled on top of old fines.
And all for not giving a turn signal on a very quiet Sunday morning. And then the sheriff and the courts complain about not having the jail population 150% what the facility was built for. There's something wrong here.
Diversifying them.......highly necessary! In NYC, I see the union leadership, holding press conferences, all the time. The lack of diversity I see on the podium, on TV, is so obvious, compared to the diversity of the union's rank and file I see on the street!
Diversifying them.......highly necessary! In NYC, I see the union leadership, holding press conferences, all the time. The lack of diversity I see on the podium, on TV, is so obvious, compared to the diversity of the union's rank and file I see on the street!
when people think of "union", they think of a powerful union like UAW. Therefore, ALL unions are like UAW including police unions. That is a myth because not all unions are created equal.
My police union does a few things for its members
-negotiates contracts
-assists cops to file grievances for employment purposes instead of cops going straight to DOL
-provides cops with an attorney when they get in trouble (technically, the attorney fee is from union fees that all cops have to pay)
when people think of "union", they think of a powerful union like UAW. Therefore, ALL unions are like UAW including police unions. That is a myth because not all unions are created equal.
My police union does a few things for its members
-negotiates contracts
-assists cops to file grievances for employment purposes instead of cops going straight to DOL
-provides cops with an attorney when they get in trouble (technically, the attorney fee is from union fees that all cops have to pay)
That's the role a union is supposed to play.....protecting its workers.
However, If you have a rank and file which is diverse as the city, itself, but an all-white leadership which doesn't reflect the diversity of not only the city, but its own rank and file, you run into a serious public perception problem. PR is everything! And add to that the defiant, "our rank and file do no wrong" posturing that goes on in those press conferences, and you have a serious public mistrust of officers!
That's the role a union is supposed to play.....protecting its workers.
However, If you have a rank and file which is diverse as the city, itself, but an all-white leadership which doesn't reflect the diversity of not only the city, but its own rank and file, you run into a serious public perception problem. PR is everything! And add to that the defiant, "our rank and file do no wrong" posturing that goes on in those press conferences, and you have a serious public mistrust of officers!
I can't speak for other unions, but i am a member of a very large union representing 150,000 members. The top leaders of the union are all elected (not appointed) by the members.
So i don't know how do you plan to diversify that.
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