Trump vetoes Iran war powers resolution

[burdell]

Originally Posted by rbohm

buzz, sorry try again. the bush administration went to the UN to get use of force resolutions against iraq, for the second iraq war, bush 41 also went to the UN by the way for gulf war one. after which BOTH presidents went to congress to get use of force passed as well. and this was done BEFORE any action against iraq was run.



so while true that war was not declared, the use of force was indeed voted on and approved(remember kerry's idiotic statement "i wasa for teh war before i was against it"?).



so nice try in rewriting history but it wont work, but you FAIL. you got an F on your paper.

In neither case did Congress declare and mandate we go to war, that responsibility rests solely on the presidents who gave the 'go' order.

[Goodnight]

Originally Posted by thecoalman

One can disagree with the reasons but Grenada and Panama were within US interests. Actions in the gulf for both Bush 1 and 2 had Congressional approval. Realistically it's Clinton in Kosovo and to some degree Obama in Libya that have pushed the boundaries. Neither Kosovo or Libya were actions based on security threats to the US. Kosovo was humanitarian and Libya could only be considered political. Qaddafi at the time was already working with US interests for many years. He had a change of heart after the invasion of Iraq.

All of the above are problematic, Grenada was pretty much a covert action by Reagan and a massive mistake. We can always find a way to start a war anywhere using "US interests" or communism as an excuse. I have equal issues with the millions in contractors we used in Bosnia rather than US soldiers, contractors exceeded our military in Iraq. If we go into these conflicts congress should be clear and we need to send American military not mercenaries.


These wars need to be clearly declared by congress, not just providing funding to the president and letting him have his way.

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by nng

Not yet, but I think trump is trying to find an excuse to start a war. He already made many many threats to Iran and even just now recently.

People have been saying this since Trump was elected. How many wars have we been in that he has started? He might be a lot of things but a war mongering Neocon isn't one of them. People on the other side of the isle seem to desperately want Trump to be a Neocon so it will give them something else to complain about but just because they desperately want it so doesn't mean it is the case. It isn't.