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Old 05-09-2020, 01:29 PM
 
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Wonder if she was on the Obama call leaked to Yahoo news. This whole story gets more and more curious. Mr. No Drama Obama calls former staffers to complain about Barr and Flynn, and criticize Trump’s handling of the pandemic. The call is taped and leaked to Yahoo.

Is this damage control? This will get interesting.
This is Obama trying to coordinate a deflection campaign related to his efforts to lead the weaponization of the DOJ/FBI/CIA to destroy President Trump and General Flynn. It is right out the Saul Alinsky playbook.
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Old 05-09-2020, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The operative word here is "legitimate" - Barr always talks about 'predicate.' He and Trump will fight to the death that no counterinteligence investigation into Russia is "legitimate." As far as they are concerned Russia interference and any remote suggestion Russia is an adversary is a "HOAX."
Well all the intelligence agencies in addition to the house and senate intelligence committees concur that the Russian investigation was legitimate, but Flynn lying about speaking with the Russian Ambassador wasn't material. How is that possible.


No prosecutor signed off to drop the charges, just Timothy Shea who was a Barr appointee. Maybe you can point to another case where the DOJ dropped a case after a guilty plea.
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Old 05-09-2020, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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He didn't lie to the FBI about that.


He was not being interviewed in connection with any counterintelligence investigation. The FBI agents investigating his activities had already cleared him.

Well if he was cleared then we need to go back and change the entire court case over the last 3 years.


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Flynn admitted in his plea that he lied to the FBI about several December conversations with Kislyak. In one, on Dec. 22, he contacted the Russian ambassador about the incoming administration's opposition to a U.N. resolution condemning Israeli settlements as illegal and requested that Russia vote against or delay it, court records say. The ambassador later called back and indicated Russia would not vote against it, the records say.


In another conversation, on Dec. 29, Flynn called the ambassador to ask Russia not to escalate an ongoing feud over sanctions imposed by the Obama administration court records say. The ambassador later called back and said Russia had chosen not to retaliate, the records say.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...line_manual_25
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Old 05-09-2020, 04:21 PM
 
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The DOJ dropped the entire case. —- that is NOT a Pardon. They dropped the case based on information the FBI was hiding that was discovered by a US Attorney in Missouri who was assigned to find documents that Judge Sullivan ordered the DOJ to produce.



The Judge ordered the documents while delaying sentencing, so I guess you could say “it was left up to the Judge”. Van Grack was hiding evidence, exculpatory evidence. He should be disbarred.



You didn’t follow this case at all, did you. General Flynn never said he didn’t speak with Kislyak, he did speak with him and knew the call was recorded .... General Flynn was head of Military Intelligence for years and in Intelligence for many years, they ALL know these calls are recorded. The “gotcha” entrapment question was about some he and Kislyak talked about and General Flynn said “I don’t remember”. This is why the FBI said “ we are closing this, Nothing here” on January 4, 2017 and Comey/McCabe/Strzok jumped on it and said “leave it open”. This is exactly part of what was uncovered by the US Attorney in Missouri.



Where do people come up with this bad information???

1. General Flynn accepted plea deal by the Mueller Team, a coerced deal in which he would plead guilty to a lie to the FBI and the FBI would not trump up charges on his son. The Judge that accepted that false plea, recused himself from the case right after accepting the plea.
That all happened in late 2017, November I think. Case turned over to Judge Sullivan

2. The sentencing of General Flynn was delayed over, and over, and over, and over again. Jessie Lui ((US Attorney in charge) and Van Grack (Mueller Team Prosecutor) recommended no jail time for Flynn to the Judge.

3. There was never a conviction, never any Jail Time at all ... no Federal Prison
A plea was accepted, that’s it. No trial, no conviction- the only Lie in this case was the False Plea, that was coerced.

Good Grief — this has been covered for years and there are dozens and dozens of Court filings.
It was a set up from day one, it’s now been revealed it was a set up ...
End of story, or at least this chapter of the story. More Chapters coming soon.
I want to expand a little on this sentence:
The Judge that accepted that false plea, recused himself from the case right after accepting the plea.


The Judge who recused himself [or was removed] from the Flynn case, Rudolph Contreras, was a personal friend of both Strzok and Lisa Page, whose text messages express how pleased they were after Contreras was appointed to the FISC. So, an FBI agent who was a key player in RussiaRussiaRussia and interviewed Flynn was buds with the Judge hearing the Flynn case.
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Old 05-09-2020, 04:53 PM
 
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Well all the intelligence agencies in addition to the house and senate intelligence committees concur that the Russian investigation was legitimate, but Flynn lying about speaking with the Russian Ambassador wasn't material. How is that possible.


No prosecutor signed off to drop the charges, just Timothy Shea who was a Barr appointee. Maybe you can point to another case where the DOJ dropped a case after a guilty plea.
People withdraw plea deals all the time. There was a State Senator in my state who agreed to a plea in a bogus sex assault case, but he later changed his mind and went to trial where he beat the charges. It cost him years and over $100,000 though. The time and expense is why people take pleas to things they didn't do. The Feds basically went back on the deal they made with Flynn by going after one of his business partners - that wasn't what they originally agreed to. The FBI was dirty as a pig in slop under Comey. The whole thing was just a set up to entrap Flynn.

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Former FBI Director James Comey since has described the question about whether Flynn had lied, or whether to charge him, as "a close one."

U.S. Attorney Timothy Shea quoted that statement in his brief about the Flynn case filed Thursday to seek the dismissal of the charges, along with the notes of the FBI agents that also have since come to light.

In those materials, the investigators appear to wonder what they're doing preparing to interview Flynn.

"What is our goal — truth, admission or to get him to lie so we can prosecute him or get him fired?" one note read. Another says: "[White House] will be furious" and "protect our institution by not playing games."

Flynn's attorneys fought to get this material unsealed after their dealings with the government soured. They call it the basis for their claim that the FBI effectively entrapped him.

The Justice Department's new brief cites these materials and argues that the bureau had all but concluded that Flynn wasn't a counterintelligence risk as it was looking into prospective links between Trump's camp and the Russian interference in the 2016 election.

In this new reasoning, Flynn's false statements to investigators weren't '"material' to any bona fide investigation," Shea wrote — so the case shouldn't continue.
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/08/85258...ng-the-charges
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Old 05-09-2020, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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People withdraw plea deals all the time. There was a State Senator in my state who agreed to a plea in a bogus sex assault case, but he later changed his mind and went to trial where he beat the charges. It cost him years and over $100,000 though. The time and expense is why people take pleas to things they didn't do. The Feds basically went back on the deal they made with Flynn by going after one of his business partners - that wasn't what they originally agreed to. The FBI was dirty as a pig in slop under Comey. The whole thing was just a set up to entrap Flynn.


https://www.npr.org/2020/05/08/85258...ng-the-charges
Flynn was a millionaire through his business, cost was not an issue if it was only $100K but it probably was greater. He didn't withdraw the plea the DOJ dropped the charges after a guilty plea which is tremendously rare.


There is some confusion in the FBI notes but the DOJ of course was privy to all that information previously, this is nothing knew and they could have dropped the prosecution in 2017. There are notes and then there is the court case.
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Old 05-09-2020, 05:19 PM
 
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When the judge closes the case, how will the supporters of this failed coup attempt try to spin this then?

Will the judge apologize to General Flynn for this grave abuse of power and the injustice that was done to General Flynn? And will he move to hold the perpetrators of this abuse of power accountable under the law?

Stay tuned....
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Old 05-09-2020, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Well all the intelligence agencies in addition to the house and senate intelligence committees concur that the Russian investigation was legitimate, but Flynn lying about speaking with the Russian Ambassador wasn't material. How is that possible.


No prosecutor signed off to drop the charges, just Timothy Shea who was a Barr appointee. Maybe you can point to another case where the DOJ dropped a case after a guilty plea.
If the guilty plea is obtained illegally, it can and should be dropped.
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Old 05-09-2020, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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And here is the most accurate story to date.. It came from Obama and Biden

https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/08...ump-operation/
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Old 05-09-2020, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Flynn was dirty, has always been dirty, which is why the FBI determined to get the evidence. Which they did. I don't see one thing wrong with working on a strategy to get the perp. Flynn was a perp - and they went after him. That's what the FBI is supposed to do - protect this country from perps like Flynn who collaborate and collude with our enemies and undermine our national security.
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