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Old 05-14-2020, 11:15 AM
 
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Most every store that sells groceries has been open this entire time. I don't know of any grocery stores that have closed, do you?
Are you less likely you get COVID in a grocery store than a sporting goods store? Is that what you mean?

That *somehow* the virus doesn't go to grocery stores but would go to a sporting goods store?

Does it only come out at night? Is that why there were curfews?
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Old 05-14-2020, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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I guess that there will be an immediate increase in cases and deaths in that town, right?
Not really. Viruses have an incubation period. This one seems to be about 5-6 days based on current data, and can be up to 14 days.

So it will take a week or two.
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Old 05-14-2020, 11:31 AM
 
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Not really. Viruses have an incubation period. This one seems to be about 5-6 days based on current data, and can be up to 14 days.

So it will take a week or two.
And then everyone who was at the coffee shop will be dead, right?
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Old 05-14-2020, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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They have a higher chance of dying in a car accident.

We know some folks don’t enjoy math, but unless your fat or elderly, the the virus is nothing to be worried about.

Are you telling me, you’re in worse shape than Boris Johnson?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...HS-doctor.html
About 39,000 died in the US in auto accidents last year.

We have doubled that already with COVID deaths in about 2 months.

Count yourself with the math impaired.
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Old 05-14-2020, 11:35 AM
 
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About 39,000 died in the US in auto accidents last year.

We have doubled that already with COVID deaths in about 2 months.

Count yourself with the math impaired.
How many immunocompromised or elderly people are out driving around? Remove them from the death counts .... what's left???
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Old 05-14-2020, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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To me personally, I'd practice social distancing as long as I think I should because I have family members who are medical doctors and I don't want this virus in my body, period.

This said, I don't want to call these people ignorant either, because they made their own choice and they shall live their own lives.

One of the icons of our society these days is that people are not easy believers. They been fed so much crap and sensationalism that they wait until they can see it in front of them to believe. Most have a set of life conditions they follow which are based on their silo of ideology.
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Old 05-14-2020, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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How many immunocompromised or elderly people are out driving around? Remove them from the death counts .... what's left???
Yeah, you're right, my bad.

Diabetics, overweight people, asthmatics, old people, hell you never see any of them driving around.
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Old 05-14-2020, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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And then everyone who was at the coffee shop will be dead, right?
We both know that's not how it works.
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Old 05-14-2020, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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I think that if COVID-19 could be easily caught just by being within six feet of an infected person not wearing a mask, there would have been over a million cases in the U.S. by March 15th, at the latest.

Think of six degrees of separation, the fact that there are about 330 million people in the U.S., the accepted fact (?) that COVID-19 has a five-day incubation period and that 20% of those infected will show symptoms, and do the math. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation From the link: "Six degrees of separation is the idea that all people are six, or fewer, social connections away from each other. Also known as the 6 Handshakes rule. As a result, a chain of "a friend of a friend" statements can be made to connect any two people in a maximum of six steps." [END QUOTE] But it doesn't even have to go that far -- think of someone who unknowingly has the virus, and think of how many people the average person has a "face to face" conversation with in a single day, and then think of how many each of these people are in contact with, and so on and so on.

The fact is that I live in Denver suburb, and yet I have (fortunately) not personally known anyone (old or young) who has not been diagnosed with having COVID-19. Of course, that is just MY experience and I might very well be unusual in that, but it does make me think that stay-at-home orders in places that are not "hot spots" is a very great overreaction. My belief is that if the risk of contagion was THAT bad, grocery stores would now be facing a huge shortage of cashiers being out of work due to being sick.

And, yes, before anyone lambasts me, I do know that many people have become very sick from this and thousands HAVE died from it -- but I think that government leaders 'preaching' that a very large percentage of us are going to end up in ICU's unless extreme measures continue (indefinitely) seems to me to be nothing short of an attempt to dominate, manipulate and control most of the population.

P.S. However, I do think that people in "high risk" groups or those who live in "hot spots" should continue to take precautions, but I just don't think that most of us should live the rest of our lives in fear, and that it is time for us to slowly and cautiously start getting back to life as in was six months ago.

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Old 05-14-2020, 01:02 PM
 
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I think that if COVID-19 could be easily caught just by being within six feet of an infected person not wearing a mask, there would have been over a million cases in the U.S. by March 15th, at the latest.
It can be easily caught in *confined spaces* if there's no social distancing and if people aren't doing the other things that are important (washing hands, not touching face or eyes, etc). Since it's spread through respiratory means, it's in the air if someone coughs, it's on their hands, and anything they touch could have the virus on it. There was an Italian family in NJ that lost 4 family members to covid after they had been together for a family dinner.

The number of airplane passengers and cruise ship passengers who got covid back in Feb proved how contagious it was.

Mitigation efforts slowed the outbreak spread and definitely in less densely populated areas, but the U.S. is already well over 1M total infections. Imagine if nothing had been shut down and no social distancing occurred and people weren't taking any precautions. Look at high density areas like NYC to see how quickly the virus spread.
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