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Old 05-17-2020, 11:30 PM
 
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Old 05-17-2020, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Various
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So the Pentagon and the White House make policies based on fake reports and bogus data.
Even worse, they hand fake stories to media intentionally.
I wonder where they hired the "contractors".

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A shocking report suggesting that the coronavirus was “release[d from] the Wuhan Institute of Virology” in China is now circulating in U.S. military and intelligence circles and on Capitol Hill. But there’s a critical flaw in the report, a Daily Beast analysis reveals: Some of its most seemingly persuasive evidence is false—provably false.
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Since then, former Australian foreign ministers and media outlets around the world have openly doubted the origins and intent of the dossier, suggesting that it was leaked to The Daily Telegraph by U.S. interests looking to give credence to the claims made by Trump and Pompeo. “It seems the U.S. embassy gave a confected report to an Australian newspaper inflating baseless claims that the COVID19 virus was hatched in a Chinese laboratory in Wuhan,” former Australian Foreign Minister Bob Carr told The Sydney Morning Herald.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/busted-pe...010005519.html
Whatever the truth, be aware that Bob Carr is an extreme left wing China supporter and apologist. From a real newspaper (not the NY Post equivalent referenced above) in Australia just two years ago:
https://www.afr.com/policy/what-you-...0181105-h17jic

I]Within Australia Carr is now known for speaking up on Beijing's behalf and talking down criticism of China as a relic of Cold War thinking. There are many possible triggers for this. Examples would be infrastructure purchases, extradition treaties, university issues, political donations, media coverage and allegations of foreign interference, all topics on which Carr has taken to the airwaves or the print media. The pattern is consistent, with Carr denying problems on the Chinese side while simultaneously criticising Australians who see problems, on the other.[/i]

From the "China" section in his Wiki article: On the first of three visits to China in May 2012 Carr faced questions from Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi who expressed concern about Australia's blocking of Huawei Technologies in its bid to supply equipment for the National Broadband Network,.

There is a reason he has a "China" section in his Wiki.

As I said, I don't know the truth, but if Bob Carr is involved I'd be inclined to believe the opposite of what he says when it comes to China.
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Old 05-18-2020, 12:44 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Pentagon Contractors’ Report on ‘Wuhan Lab’ Origins of Virus Is Bogus


Haven't read this "Pentagon contractors' report".

But this virus originated in some bats in far-flung areas of China. Those bats were brought to central labs in Beijing and Wuhan. Scientists studied them, tried to perform tests regarding the transmissibility to humans, etc. At some point one of these viruses escaped from the lab and began to infect people nearby.

It didn't "originate" in the lab. It originated in caves hundreds of miles away. And it wasn't deliberately released from the lab. Its release was accidental.

The result was the same regardless: A worldwide pandemic.

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Old 05-18-2020, 01:21 AM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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A lot of things you could mention have not been proven, like that bogus lab fantasy you have latched on to.

The fact is all of the original cases were associated with a wildlife wet market in one particular neighborhood of a major metropolis. We know this because that was what was known to the original hospital (where the first Victim died) which tried to grapple with it, and that was what was reported by Dr Li Wenliang, a physician from that same hospital who died from treating patients at the very beginning.

These were ordinary shoppers and merchants from the wildlife market.

Researchers now know enough to be able to say it was a virus common to bats which was mediated through another animal. The second animal is not known but seems likely to have been a pangolin, it's an educated guess.

Viruses hybridize (two viruses in the same cell replicating simultaneously can mix/exchange their RNA), and it would be helpful to know which animal was infected from the bat. It was parts of that second animal which were handled and eaten which kicked off this pandemic.

This imaginary theory about the lab is an unnecessary distraction, and people who spread these wild conspiracy theories look downright foolish.
Oh sure, it's a REAL stretch to postulate a coronavirus common in certain bats might have escaped from a lab that studies coronaviruses found in bats, of which there just happens to be two in the very city where the outbreak originated, and oh yeah, a U.S. delegation warned two years ago that inadequate safety precautions at one of them could lead to a situation exactly like we're experiencing today. I mean, you'd have to be a real whackadoodle conspiracy loon to even consider the possibility, amirite?
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Old 05-18-2020, 01:26 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Pentagon Contractors’ Report on ‘Wuhan Lab’ Origins of Virus Is Bogus


Haven't read this "Pentagon contractors' report".

But this virus originate in some bats in far-flung areas of China. Those bats were brought to central labs in Beijing and Wuhan. Scientists studied them, tried to perform tests regarding the transmissibility to humans, etc. At some point one of these viruses escaped from the lab and began to infect people nearby.

It didn't "originate" in the lab. It originated in caves hundreds of miles away. And it wasn't deliberately released from the lab. Its release was accidental.

The result was the same regardless: A worldwide pandemic.

The timing is... Peculiar. Beijing Biden has certainly benefited from all this, by being allowed to hide out in his basement. He doesn't even have to campaign. It's like a vacation for him, his senile brain, and the DNC. And we all know, China and the DNC are very chummy and close as well. Meanwhile, this trio from hell has been relentlessly attacking Trump by politicizing this virus.
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Old 05-18-2020, 01:31 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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Hey!!! The 50 cent army is back!!

I didn't get a solid answer from the other guy, but perhaps you'll tell me: Do you get 50 cents for per pro-CCP post or do you only get the 50 cents for the thread and do the replies pro bono? Inquiring minds wanna know!!

Thanks!
God
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Old 05-18-2020, 01:32 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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If there is no way to determine the origin, than I wonder why China refuses to allow the international community's, and particularly the US's scientists and researchers to come to China to investigate for themselves?
The reason? Chinese culture.

DJT's continuing attacks would now make it look like they are kow-towing to the foreigner, and that is something they are deeply motivated to avoid. Plus there's paranoia; they would now feel they have nothing to gain by cooperating.

Like many a country, they have a historical distrust of foreigners and their intentions. DJT has already demonstrated he wants to blame them, regardless of whether it was their fault, so they are hardly motivated to cooperate. Cherry picking of evidence could be used to show them in a bad light, for example. Plus I'm sure there were a few misdeeds in their handling of the outbreak in Wuhan that they want to cover up.

Hence, they are likely to act that way under either circumstance. If you want their cooperation, you need to show you're not out to humiliate them.
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Old 05-18-2020, 01:45 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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The reason? Chinese culture.
Horsecrap.

The reason: Not wanting to release evidence showing their own guilt.
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Old 05-18-2020, 02:09 AM
 
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Hey!!! The 50 cent army is back!!

I didn't get a solid answer from the other guy, but perhaps you'll tell me: Do you get 50 cents for per pro-CCP post or do you only get the 50 cents for the thread and do the replies pro bono? Inquiring minds wanna know!!

Thanks!
God
Do you know intentional false accusation is actually a crime?
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Old 05-18-2020, 02:36 AM
 
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Do you know intentional false accusation is actually a crime?
I saw in a previous post you live in China?

well here in America we have something called freedom of speech,

meaning he can say that he beleives you are receiving 50 cents from the CCP for every post supporting the CCP

I think itd be good if Chinese had this freedom and I think you'd enjoy it.

I'm sorry you have been enslaved by your government the CCP and Trump will fight for your freedom.
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