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Old 06-10-2020, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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......there is going to be change! Whether people embrace it, or don't! Change is a part of life. There is nothing wrong with that!

Whether it's political, social, or demographic change. Fighting any type of change is futile. Now, one could have a point that excesses can have consequences. But folk cannot resist "excesses" with totally keeping things as they are.

Fellow American citizens are not the enemy, solely because they have different views.
There's nothing wrong with wanting accountability from the people who are sworn to lead and protect us.
There's nothing wrong with advocating new directions.

If people are taking to the streets, that means there is a breakdown in trust in leadership. Folk can talk about the "excesses," but there's nothing wrong with peacefully wanting change, when folk can no longer trust their leaders.

From reading the posts on this forum, I strongly believe that folk don't even want peaceful action. They just want things to stay as they are. Either that, or folk want "quiet change." I've learned, that change, especially in America, has never been quiet. Folk who say "just shut up and go to vote." Well, I've learned that contrary to public opinion, the ballot box is far from quiet! Those who have, and those who still are, suppressing the ballot, already know that fact!

In sum, as the great American musician Sam Cooke once said......A change gonna come!
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Old 06-10-2020, 08:13 AM
 
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......there is going to be change! Whether people embrace it, or don't! Change is a part of life. There is nothing wrong with that!

Whether it's political, social, or demographic change. Fighting any type of change is futile. Now, one could have a point that excesses can have consequences. But folk cannot resist "excesses" with totally keeping things as they are.

Fellow American citizens are not the enemy, solely because they have different views.
There's nothing wrong with wanting accountability from the people who are sworn to lead and protect us.
There's nothing wrong with advocating new directions.

If people are taking to the streets, that means there is a breakdown in trust in leadership. Folk can talk about the "excesses," but there's nothing wrong with peacefully wanting change, when folk can no longer trust their leaders.

From reading the posts on this forum, I strongly believe that folk don't even want peaceful action. They just want things to stay as they are. Either that, or folk want "quiet change." I've learned, that change, especially in America, has never been quiet. Folk who say "just shut up and go to vote." Well, I've learned that contrary to public opinion, the ballot box is far from quiet! Those who have, and those who still are, suppressing the ballot, already know that fact!

In sum, as the great American musician Sam Cooke once said......A change gonna come!
Things could change in a way you don't want them to.
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Old 06-10-2020, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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The people "taking to the streets" have been planning this rioting and looting for quite some time. They aren't doing this because of the "breakdown in trust of leadership", they are doing this because they want an end to capitalism, and the twitter bio of one of the turds running the anti fa zone on Capital Hill in Seattle states that she also wants an end to civilization.

That's the "change" you want? That's what you consider "peaceful"?

What people want is for the lies to stop. What people want is for leaders to act like leaders - and that means local leaders, the ones who promise things every single election cycle, get a whole lot of money, and then nothing happens. What people want is for others to stop making excuses for their despicable behavior. What people want is to be able to go to work, earn their money, and provide for themselves and their families without some mouth breathing jackarse telling them that they need to hand over some of that money because "OmGERD, it's not fair!!"

What I want is for people to realize that the government works for us, not the other way around. Too many have this backwards, and that is why we have the issues we have today - they think government is our boss. And they try to use government to dictate how everyone else "should" live.

Change always happens, and it's going to happen, but it may not be how some people think it's going to change, no matter how loudly they squeal.
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Old 06-10-2020, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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What I want is for people to realize that the government works for us, not the other way around. Too many have this backwards, and that is why we have the issues we have today - they think government is our boss. And they try to use government to dictate how everyone else "should" live.

Change always happens, and it's going to happen, but it may not be how some people think it's going to change, no matter how loudly they squeal.
I have yet to see, or meet, anyone from the group, Antifa.

Other than that, folk who are truly peacefully taking to the streets want the same thing....to have a "government that works for us, not the other way around." I don't see, or know, anyone who wants "an end capitalism." They want a government that treats them fairly, and are not trying to "use government to dictate how everyone else 'should' live."
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Old 06-10-2020, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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I have yet to see, or meet, anyone from the group, Antifa.

Other than that, folk who are truly peacefully taking to the streets want the same thing....to have a "government that works for us, not the other way around." I don't see, or know, anyone who wants "an end capitalism." They want a government that treats them fairly, and are not trying to "use government to dictate how everyone else 'should' live."





antifa is all over the TV they are the ones dressed all black with masks, hoodies and a backpack full of rocks with a head to match...





We do have to remember when talking about our Government leaders being weak which leads to people taking to the streets to enact change that we had plenty of protests that turned into riots when Obama was President and he did little to calm the mob. He actually did the opposite like a good Democrat and encouraged them.



The Democrats have been teaching and preaching through our schools and universities for decades now that capitalism is a sin and some sort of democrat socialism is the wave of the future.



Trump before the Corona was building a roaring economy for everyone to enjoy while the Democrats are scheming these ideas that would shut down peoples Rights and the first one to come to mind that they really seem to be against is the Second amendment.



We all want a Gov. that works for us but with what the Dems are planning they will be dictating how we should live.
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Old 06-10-2020, 02:12 PM
 
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......there is going to be change! Whether people embrace it, or don't! Change is a part of life. There is nothing wrong with that!

Whether it's political, social, or demographic change. Fighting any type of change is futile. Now, one could have a point that excesses can have consequences. But folk cannot resist "excesses" with totally keeping things as they are.

Fellow American citizens are not the enemy, solely because they have different views.
There's nothing wrong with wanting accountability from the people who are sworn to lead and protect us.
There's nothing wrong with advocating new directions.

If people are taking to the streets, that means there is a breakdown in trust in leadership. Folk can talk about the "excesses," but there's nothing wrong with peacefully wanting change, when folk can no longer trust their leaders.

From reading the posts on this forum, I strongly believe that folk don't even want peaceful action. They just want things to stay as they are. Either that, or folk want "quiet change." I've learned, that change, especially in America, has never been quiet. Folk who say "just shut up and go to vote." Well, I've learned that contrary to public opinion, the ballot box is far from quiet! Those who have, and those who still are, suppressing the ballot, already know that fact!

In sum, as the great American musician Sam Cooke once said......A change gonna come!
Fellow American citizens are the enemy when they destroy the property of others... or at minimum, they are criminals.

If people are paid to take to the street, as are our "citizens" in black, then trust in leadership has nothing to do with anything. They are doing the bidding of the one who pays them. That would be Mr. Donnelly who is in cahoots with Mr. Soros Jr.

Americans have no problem with peaceful protests. We do have a problem with them committing assaults and destroying the businesses and jobs of other Americans.
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Old 06-10-2020, 02:17 PM
 
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......there is going to be change! Whether people embrace it, or don't! Change is a part of life. There is nothing wrong with that!

Whether it's political, social, or demographic change. Fighting any type of change is futile. Now, one could have a point that excesses can have consequences. But folk cannot resist "excesses" with totally keeping things as they are.

Fellow American citizens are not the enemy, solely because they have different views.
There's nothing wrong with wanting accountability from the people who are sworn to lead and protect us.
There's nothing wrong with advocating new directions.

If people are taking to the streets, that means there is a breakdown in trust in leadership. Folk can talk about the "excesses," but there's nothing wrong with peacefully wanting change, when folk can no longer trust their leaders.

From reading the posts on this forum, I strongly believe that folk don't even want peaceful action. They just want things to stay as they are. Either that, or folk want "quiet change." I've learned, that change, especially in America, has never been quiet. Folk who say "just shut up and go to vote." Well, I've learned that contrary to public opinion, the ballot box is far from quiet! Those who have, and those who still are, suppressing the ballot, already know that fact!

In sum, as the great American musician Sam Cooke once said......A change gonna come!
1. We need to identify a real problem.
2. Change doesn’t mean improvements. Most cases, they aren’t.
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Old 06-10-2020, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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The people "taking to the streets" have been planning this rioting and looting for quite some time. They aren't doing this because of the "breakdown in trust of leadership", they are doing this because they want an end to capitalism, and the twitter bio of one of the turds running the anti fa zone on Capital Hill in Seattle states that she also wants an end to civilization.

That's the "change" you want? That's what you consider "peaceful"?

What people want is for the lies to stop. What people want is for leaders to act like leaders - and that means local leaders, the ones who promise things every single election cycle, get a whole lot of money, and then nothing happens. What people want is for others to stop making excuses for their despicable behavior. What people want is to be able to go to work, earn their money, and provide for themselves and their families without some mouth breathing jackarse telling them that they need to hand over some of that money because "OmGERD, it's not fair!!"

What I want is for people to realize that the government works for us, not the other way around. Too many have this backwards, and that is why we have the issues we have today - they think government is our boss. And they try to use government to dictate how everyone else "should" live.

Change always happens, and it's going to happen, but it may not be how some people think it's going to change, no matter how loudly they squeal.
This.

That and the people taking to the streets has to actually MEAN something.

Protesting in a way that shows what you want to change and how to change it is great.

However, people protesting in a way where they're dancing in the streets, looting stuff, throwing stuff just shows that we're a bunch of spoiled sheep who don't know what they want. No change will come from that.

If you want change, show it. The last few weeks have woken people up to the problem, but still there's no solution to be found other than a bunch of virtue signaling sheep who care more about how many likes they'll get on Instagram for being "woke" instead of producing actual change. A mentor once told me, don't complain about a problem unless you are working towards finding a solution.
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Old 06-12-2020, 03:03 AM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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"We do not reject our traditions. But we are willing to adapt to changing circumstances, when change we must. We are willing to suffer the discomfort of change, in order to achieve a better future. We have a positive vision of the future, founded on the belief, that the gap between the promise and reality of America can one day be finally closed. We believe that."
--Barbara Jordan
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Old 06-12-2020, 03:08 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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Wealth is being transferred from responsible people to irresponsible people. The bottom and the top are really more similar to each other than anyone in the middle... it's no surprise many on the top support the bottom, while the middle generally get ignored. You can only bite the hands of the people that feed you for so long. Should be an interesting decade! Throwing around money like it's candy thinking it will solve all our problems. A big disconnect between main street and wall street has formed and it's not really all that healthy. If the protestors help bring down the status quo, well good luck to them. The 2020's will definitely be interesting for sure! The divide between the top 1% and everyone else continues to grow.
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