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Old 06-01-2020, 09:00 AM
 
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Lets say you have to kids. One makes bad grades, is always in trouble at school, and doesn't respect others and there is clear evidence of this. The other kid makes good grades, studies hard, and is respectful . Is it really a privilege is the good kid is treated better or was it something earned? I mean if it wasn't earned, then I would say its a privilege, but otherwise, it could not be considered a privilege.
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Old 06-01-2020, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Lets say you have to kids. One makes bad grades, is always in trouble at school, and doesn't respect others and there is clear evidence of this. The other kid makes good grades, studies hard, and is respectful . Is it really a privilege is the good kid is treated better or was it something earned? I mean if it wasn't earned, then I would say its a privilege, but otherwise, it could not be considered a privilege.
The privilege comes when the bad kid is given the same opportunities anyway unearned like Bill DeBlasio's daughter being released for being a rioter last night.
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Old 06-01-2020, 09:04 AM
 
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The privilege comes when the bad kid is given the same opportunities anyway unearned like Bill DeBlasio's daughter being released for being a rioter last night.
Yes. The bad kid is given the same opportunities at an even easier school but has the same issues. He doesn't study or care about school or value education.
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Old 06-01-2020, 09:05 AM
 
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[quote=Annandale_Man;58261566]The privilege comes when the bad kid is given the same opportunities anyway unearned like Bill DeBlasio's daughter being released for being a rioter last night.[/quote]
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It's welfare if not earned.
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Old 06-01-2020, 09:06 AM
 
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In your example the privilege was given to child A before he did anything of substance. Child B was deemed unworthy at birth. How you raised either has nothing to do with privilege. Society decided their faith at birth.
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Old 06-01-2020, 09:08 AM
 
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In your example the privilege was given to child A before he did anything of substance. Child B was deemed unworthy at birth. How you raised either has nothing to do with privilege. Society decided their faith at birth.
"In my example". I didn't say anything about them at birth "in my example." I guess my question is, can "privilege" be earned?
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Old 06-01-2020, 09:10 AM
 
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Lets say you have to kids. One makes bad grades, is always in trouble at school, and doesn't respect others and there is clear evidence of this. The other kid makes good grades, studies hard, and is respectful . Is it really a privilege is the good kid is treated better or was it something earned? I mean if it wasn't earned, then I would say its a privilege, but otherwise, it could not be considered a privilege.
What’s the skin color of the kids?
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Old 06-01-2020, 09:12 AM
 
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Lets say you have to kids. One makes bad grades, is always in trouble at school, and doesn't respect others and there is clear evidence of this. The other kid makes good grades, studies hard, and is respectful . Is it really a privilege is the good kid is treated better or was it something earned? I mean if it wasn't earned, then I would say its a privilege, but otherwise, it could not be considered a privilege.
Not sure you are going to get any good grades for grammar or spelling, but that aside...

It is interesting to consider how people struggle to understand this sort of thing in the first place. Largely because when you are not a victim of racism, it's not always easy to understand what it's all about. Here's the best I can do using your analogy.

You have two kids and forever tend to favor the one over the other.

One gets good solid meals. Generally gets a good night of sleep before school the next day. Supportive parents. Encouraged to do well in school. Taught to stay out of trouble, in a better than average neighborhood where there are fewer incidents of crime and drugs and problems of that sort.

The other rarely gets good parental guidance if any. Doesn't always get fed or fed right because either the food is crappy or in short supply. Might get taught to stay out of trouble but there is so much trouble right outside the door on the streets it's almost impossible to stay clear of bad influences. Things are not much better at the school this child attends.

Privilege is often what people take for granted that disadvantaged people never really know or experience to begin with. Something like how our greatest blessings are the things that don't happen to us.

Racism is an obvious and serious problem still very much alive and well in America, and too many whites have the privilege of not recognizing this problem for what it is, because they don't have to experience it. Live with it. Survive it...
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Old 06-01-2020, 09:13 AM
 
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What’s the skin color of the kids?
Behavior, not race is the only factor.
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Old 06-01-2020, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Not sure you are going to get any good grades for grammar or spelling, but that aside...

It is interesting to consider how people struggle to understand this sort of thing in the first place. Largely because when you are not a victim of racism, it's not always easy to understand what it's all about. Here's the best I can do using your analogy.

You have two kids and forever tend to favor the one over the other.

One gets good solid meals. Generally gets a good night of sleep before school the next day. Supportive parents. Encouraged to do well in school. Taught to stay out of trouble, in a better than average neighborhood where there are fewer incidents of crime and drugs and problems of that sort.

The other rarely gets good parental guidance if any. Doesn't always get fed or fed right because either the food is crappy or in short supply. Might get taught to stay out of trouble but there is so much trouble right outside the door on the streets it's almost impossible to stay clear of bad influences. Things are not much better at the school this child attends.

Privilege is often what people take for granted that disadvantaged people never really know or experience to begin with. Something like how our greatest blessings are the things that don't happen to us.

Racism is an obvious and serious problem still very much alive and well in America, and too many whites have the privilege of not recognizing this problem for what it is, because they don't have to experience it. Live with it. Survive it...
If it's privilege that creates this dynamic, then it's clearly wrong and what you're saying is that white people should be treated the same as black people.
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