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Old 06-13-2020, 10:51 AM
 
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-Defunding and in some cases calls to abolish the police, which will cause increases in crime and the emboldenment of criminals.

- Police being attacked, cursed at, spit on and killed just for wearing the uniform with absolutely no inclination they have done anything wrong to warrant being attacked.

- Forgiving bail for rioters, not prosecuting them.

- Letting dangerous criminals out of jail for Covid.
Let me see if I get this logic correct.. our society, through due process and an judgement of peers has found people dangerous enough to be removed from society but because of the coronavirus, their welfare takes precedence over the safety of the community. So if a murderer gets released for covid and goes and murders someone, what about the consideration for the safety of that victim?

-Out of Control Cancel Culture! Careers ruined, overkill censorship so nobody is offended but only one side gets a voice in this. There are calls to cancel PAW PATROL, for Eff's sake!! Because it has police dogs and I guess that is a microaggression or something.
Statues being defaced and destroyed. The mob gets to decide if the rest of us should have them or not.

- Absolutely ZERO tolerance for diversity of opinion or debate. It's either you agree with them or you should have no voice, not only that, you should have your career destroyed or you can be physically assaulted as has happened to Trump supporters and Antifa victims.

This is NOT the party of JFK anymore, JFK would probably be not allowed to speak at most liberal universities today.

Are there moderate democrats who are tired of this crap? I'm not a right winger and I'm not crazy about Trump and can't vote for him but the modern left has gone insane lately. Or at least the loudest voices in the modern left. Why can't you take your party back?
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Old 06-13-2020, 10:52 AM
 
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No doubt.
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Old 06-13-2020, 10:58 AM
 
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Yes, the new left is scary and doing a lot more damage to us people of color. If Biden picks Abrams as a running mate, that’s the final nail in the coffin.
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Old 06-13-2020, 11:00 AM
 
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Yes, the new left is scary and doing a lot more damage to us people of color. If Biden picks Abrams as a running mate, that’s the final nail in the coffin.
Did you vote for Clinton last time?
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Old 06-13-2020, 11:11 AM
 
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Yes, the new left is scary and doing a lot more damage to us people of color. If Biden picks Abrams as a running mate, that’s the final nail in the coffin.

I agree, and I'm not a screaming liberal by any means, but a centrist person. There are a lot of us and we are tired of being called "lefties" and such simply because we loathe trump and what he and his enablers have done to the environment, public lands, regulation of many kinds (clean air/clean water), the ridiculous tax cut to the zillionaires, the support for right-wing judges, union busting,

and oh, yeah, the attacks on the Constitution.

While in the military, I swore allegiance to the Constitution, not to any person or party. That oath is for life. There is no Republican Party left, it trumpian/enablers and anti-Americans. And the thing is, trump will throw anyone and any one group under the most immediate bus if it suits him, including his ghastly children.
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Old 06-13-2020, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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I agree, and I'm not a screaming liberal by any means, but a centrist person. There are a lot of us and we are tired of being called "lefties" and such simply because we loathe trump and what he and his enablers have done to the environment, public lands, regulation of many kinds (clean air/clean water), the ridiculous tax cut to the zillionaires, the support for right-wing judges, union busting,

and oh, yeah, the attacks on the Constitution.

While in the military, I swore allegiance to the Constitution, not to any person or party. That oath is for life. There is no Republican Party left, it trumpian/enablers and anti-Americans. And the thing is, trump will throw anyone and any one group under the most immediate bus if it suits him, including his ghastly children.
For ****s sake the LEFT are turning the WORLD upside down, and you post THAT DRIVEL!?!?!?!?!?

GTFO!!!
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Old 06-13-2020, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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-Defunding and in some cases calls to abolish the police, which will cause increases in crime and the emboldenment of criminals.

- Police being attacked, cursed at, spit on and killed just for wearing the uniform with absolutely no inclination they have done anything wrong to warrant being attacked.

- Forgiving bail for rioters, not prosecuting them.

- Letting dangerous criminals out of jail for Covid.
Let me see if I get this logic correct.. our society, through due process and an judgement of peers has found people dangerous enough to be removed from society but because of the coronavirus, their welfare takes precedence over the safety of the community. So if a murderer gets released for covid and goes and murders someone, what about the consideration for the safety of that victim?

-Out of Control Cancel Culture! Careers ruined, overkill censorship so nobody is offended but only one side gets a voice in this. There are calls to cancel PAW PATROL, for Eff's sake!! Because it has police dogs and I guess that is a microaggression or something.
Statues being defaced and destroyed. The mob gets to decide if the rest of us should have them or not.

- Absolutely ZERO tolerance for diversity of opinion or debate. It's either you agree with them or you should have no voice, not only that, you should have your career destroyed or you can be physically assaulted as has happened to Trump supporters and Antifa victims.

This is NOT the party of JFK anymore, JFK would probably be not allowed to speak at most liberal universities today.

Are there moderate democrats who are tired of this crap? I'm not a right winger and I'm not crazy about Trump and can't vote for him but the modern left has gone insane lately. Or at least the loudest voices in the modern left. Why can't you take your party back?
IT IS the young people... the politics really do not play into this... dang--
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Old 06-13-2020, 11:34 AM
 
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Did you vote for Clinton last time?
Yes: in 2016, I voted for her but in 2020, I’ll vote for Trump unless Biden picks a centrist with an extremely likable personality, the right leadership skills, and the right platform to take over as I believe Biden will resign due to health within 6 months.
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Old 06-13-2020, 11:34 AM
 
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For ****s sake the LEFT are turning the WORLD upside down, and you post THAT DRIVEL!?!?!?!?!?

GTFO!!!
So sorry to distress you. There's must be a place for centrists and real conservatives somewhere.
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Old 06-13-2020, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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-Defunding and in some cases calls to abolish the police, which will cause increases in crime and the emboldenment of criminals.

- Police being attacked, cursed at, spit on and killed just for wearing the uniform with absolutely no inclination they have done anything wrong to warrant being attacked.

- Forgiving bail for rioters, not prosecuting them.

- Letting dangerous criminals out of jail for Covid.
Let me see if I get this logic correct.. our society, through due process and an judgement of peers has found people dangerous enough to be removed from society but because of the coronavirus, their welfare takes precedence over the safety of the community. So if a murderer gets released for covid and goes and murders someone, what about the consideration for the safety of that victim?

-Out of Control Cancel Culture! Careers ruined, overkill censorship so nobody is offended but only one side gets a voice in this. There are calls to cancel PAW PATROL, for Eff's sake!! Because it has police dogs and I guess that is a microaggression or something.
Statues being defaced and destroyed. The mob gets to decide if the rest of us should have them or not.

- Absolutely ZERO tolerance for diversity of opinion or debate. It's either you agree with them or you should have no voice, not only that, you should have your career destroyed or you can be physically assaulted as has happened to Trump supporters and Antifa victims.

This is NOT the party of JFK anymore, JFK would probably be not allowed to speak at most liberal universities today.

Are there moderate democrats who are tired of this crap? I'm not a right winger and I'm not crazy about Trump and can't vote for him but the modern left has gone insane lately. Or at least the loudest voices in the modern left. Why can't you take your party back?

Your thread title asks about liberals but here you're asking moderate Democrats, so it's a little confusing.

For years I've posted that the lunacy of far left liberals has moved me from a more liberal position to a moderate one.

I've absolutely had it. I'm done with the idiocy, the hypocrisy, the way our politicians use people for their purpose and don't really represent us, the virtue signaling, the witch hunts, and all the rest of the noise with no solutions to real problems we're all faced with. The Democratic party consists of either old, out of touch liars or younger, extremist liars. And far left liberal SJW's engaging in witch hunts to ruin people, aren't a group I want to be associated with either.

The straw that broke the camel's back for me was watching the cities in our country destroyed in an orchestrated effort by Democrats. Yes, I do believe Democrats are behind this and that's why they don't criticize BLM and the reason mayors of these cities did nothing to stop the rioting and looting. They're trying to be divisive with this and create chaos. The effort to reduce or eliminate police departments is meant to step up destabilizing the country. And I know they're doing this because it's an election year. So to hell with we, the people. To hell with our cities, businesses and jobs. All they care about is winning in November. There will be one crisis after the next until election day - I suspect the next one will be a spike in Coronavirus cases.

I'm finally seeing that the Democrats are as evil as the Republicans. They don't care about us or about social justice. They use organizations like the KKK and BLM, as well as laws and social programs to do their dirty work while they pretend to care about the disenfranchised. They're as hawkish and self-serving as conservatives. They're disingenuous and cringe-worthy with their pandering - such as kneeling while wearing African scarves, as if they cared about Floyd or the issue itself - all while doing nothing meaningful to bring about change.

I'm without a party now. I don't know what I'm going to do in November, but I'll never vote for Hillary or Biden - I know that much. I may sit this one out.
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