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Old 06-17-2020, 11:59 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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then explain why NY is pushing bills like this? (This will likely apply to Yeshivas, last year they already tried to push a different law in them)
https://nyassembly.gov/leg/?default_...2FTranscript=Y
So to be fair, you want public schools to teach why Jews are outstanding people even though they don't believe in Jesus Christ?
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Old 06-18-2020, 12:00 AM
 
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Exactly, it is saying, no this is normal, and no, you can not discriminate against it just because it is in the minority. Tyranny of the majority has no place in civil society.
the problem is tyranny ON the majority, being perpetrated by the tyrannical LGBT minority.
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Old 06-18-2020, 12:02 AM
 
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So to be fair, you want public schools to teach why Jews are outstanding people even though they don't believe in Jesus Christ?
No I prefer the public schools don't teach anything about Jews.
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Old 06-18-2020, 12:05 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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God created everyone, gays created themselves because homosexuality is a behavior, transgenderisim is a fetish or in some cases after being brainwashed a sickness, neither of which is created by God.
So, let God worry about what other people are doing that you think is outright sex sin. After all He said, "Vengeance is mine". Except for the cheated upon spouses, most people don't worry much about adultery, even though the punishment for it in the Old Testament was death.
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Old 06-18-2020, 12:10 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Where do people get these ideas from? If someone is doing a poor job at work you can fire them. You need to document what they are doing wrong in writing and have a policy that after 2 or 3 write-ups they can be fired. And that should be in a policy manual they sign when they are hired. I have been hiring people for my businesses for 35 years. I have never been sued. I have hired lots of people and occasionally had to fire people who are protected by the civil rights act. And if you are in an at-will state you can fire anyone at anytime. But its still better to document what they were doing wrong with warnings. And if you write up the gay employee for being late, you better write up the straight employee for the same violation.
Fair enough and I agree that documentation is critical. I have also seen where policy is not administered equally. Sexual harassment comes to mind. If a man uses foul language, makes crude remarks or unsolicited advances he will likely be fired in a second. I have seen it and been part of the investigating team. I have also seen where women have been given much greater latitude in that regard.

I have seen black technicians given a mile of slack for reliability and other performance issues because we needed to keep our numbers up.

I have seen promotions handed out to unqualified women and minorities just to pump up the numbers among our leadership ranks.

Yes in an at will state a company can fire people easier. That doesn't save them from civil suits. No big corporations want it to go to trial. Most will bend over to appease. I worked for a Fortune 500 company, it was damned hard to get fired. 2 or 3 write ups would be just the start depending upon the violation.

Only a few things would result in instant termination. 0 tolerance policy violations like Fighting, destruction of Government property, smoking in a non-designated area, firearm violation, to name a few. I have seen women get away with a lot especially in regard to (non-productive behavior). sexual jokes, innuendos, showing nude selfies, etc. If a male did those things? Fired. No maybe.

In regard to transgenders. If you are hired for a very specific job and you change who you are, your appearance, that company should be able to fire you for it. For example Female to male. You hire the woman to model cosmetics and hair care products. She changes her appearance and can no longer perform the job.

Male to female. How much time off should a company be forced to tolerate while the transgender has their surgeries?

The company I worked for pretty much facilitated the 2 that I knew personally. Including relocating the individuals to places they felt were more accommodating to their needs. That said it should be a choice.
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Old 06-18-2020, 12:17 AM
 
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So, let God worry about what other people are doing that you think is outright sex sin. After all He said, "Vengeance is mine". Except for the cheated upon spouses, most people don't worry much about adultery, even though the punishment for it in the Old Testament was death.
That is antithetical to the entire Torah.
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Old 06-18-2020, 12:31 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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I absolutely support the LGBTQ community. Where I live there is a much higher percentage of them than where I lived in the states. You get to know them and be friends with them. They are your neighbors.

That said there are questions that need to be answered. How much lost time is acceptable to facilitate a transgender's surgeries? Should the company Health care be on the hook for it?

I think about the military specifically. You sign up for 4 years and you spend a large portion in medical or with medical restrictions. Your unit is down that person and that person isn't replaced just because. Who pays for those operations? Should the military add specialists to their medical ranks just for Transgenders?

The coast guard has 350 rescue swimmers around the world of which only 3 are women. Transgenders may be able to handle it, but I wonder.

There are many jobs where physical strength and endurance are a must. Should the military say ok, you want to change your body and now won't be able to do that job, we will invest 10's of thousands more dollars and more time in your 4 year enlistment? Remember as an average enlistee, you can't
just change your job at will.
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Old 06-18-2020, 08:03 AM
 
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Well race is one thing and sexual choice is entirely another, but to answer your question yes it is in general acceptable and long standing Constitutional to allow people to discriminate and not force them by law to not discriminate whether I personally agree with the discrimination or not. But worse there was nothing in the law making sexual orientation a protected class.

Yes we had a lot of issues in this country because people discriminated against others. That is why there was a 1964 civil rights act. And the SCOTUS decision does not make a protected class it just made discriminating against LGBT people illegal. Why anyone would think that is bad is beyond me. Already dozens of states had this sort of thing on the books. And I am sure lots of corporations have this already in their hiring practices. And if you have a small business under 15 employees it does not apply to you, unless a state or local law says it does. No one is forced to hire a LGBT person.



Seriously how does this affect you?
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Old 06-18-2020, 08:08 AM
 
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But it should not be for the Court or the government to say it is normal. That's pseudo-religion and theocratic. We have tyranny of the minority.

They are not saying its normal. Whatever normal is suppose to be. Someone in a wheelchair with MS is not "normal" if normal to you is a able bodied white heterosexual person. Should we tear down handicapped parking signs because disabled people are not normal and people in the minority should not have some sort of tyranny by parking spaces for them?
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Old 06-18-2020, 08:35 AM
 
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Every single state punished homosexuality for more than half this countries existance, trying to claim that I am trying to change America into something it's not is revisionism

I am sure the confederacy had the same argument around the time of the civil war. And there is some irony that slavery is tolerated in the bible but gay people are not.



You can believe whatever you want. But you seem to want laws crafted as to not personally offend you. And to do that a whole group of people need to be thrown under the bus so you and people who think like you don't have to be anywhere near these people. That was how segregationists thought and acted prior to 1964.
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