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Old 06-24-2020, 09:26 AM
 
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There are currently far left politicians in office as Democrats so.....
In your opinion. As a very right leaning conservative that is your perspective.

And I did address these elected leaders in my post. I don't agree with them but in no way do I believe their motivation is simply to "destroy America" as a viable nation. That's a conspiracy theory with zero supporting evidence.
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Old 06-24-2020, 09:26 AM
 
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There is no viable far-left movement in America. Whether that’s good or bad depends on one’s ideological persuasion.

Bernie Sanders is probably the leftmost semi-successful American politician. He wants a Scandinavian style welfare state and universal healthcare. That’s it. That’s not very radical by rich-world standards. As far as I know, he hasn’t called for the nationalization of all major industries for the (supposed) sake of the common good. THAT would be far-left (i.e. actual socialism).
...and even he doesn't agree with defunding the police.
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Old 06-24-2020, 09:26 AM
 
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There is no viable far-left movement in America. Whether that’s good or bad depends on one’s ideological persuasion.

Bernie Sanders is probably the leftmost semi-successful American politician. He wants a Scandinavian style welfare state and universal healthcare. That’s it. That’s not very radical by rich-world standards. As far as I know, he hasn’t called for the nationalization of all major industries for the (supposed) sake of the common good. THAT would be far-left (i.e. actual socialism).
Exactly. Those calling the Democrats socialists/communists obviously don't know the meaning of the word. Both Democrats and Republicans are right authoritarian.

Show me a Democrat that's calling for an abolition of private property.
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Old 06-24-2020, 09:28 AM
 
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For those who think of themselves as on the left in their politics, do you believe the FAR left, extremist side wants to destroy America, enact socialism and eliminate freedom of speech or expression? Are you concerned?

If you listen to any right wing media, you would think this is the end times and unless we vote for Trump, we are all going to be living in George Orwell's 1984 in short order.

So take Trump out of the equation. If you are left leaning, are you concerned about the radical left and what would happen if they gained more power or is this overblown?

Does it bother you that our universities don't seem to teach a diversity of IDEAS anymore and our young people are never forced to challenge or defend their beliefs or positions? Or is that overblown and exaggerated also?

I think I know how the rightwing feels about this, I'd love to hear from the left.
where is the poll? But if you want to hear from the left, why don't you just listen to what they think straight from their mouths:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cMYfxOFBBM


Free speech is not welcome. This was reenforced today with Ben & Jerry's leading an ad boycott to Facebook if they don't censor anything they deem inappropriate.

THEY DECIDE, not you.
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Old 06-24-2020, 09:29 AM
 
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Excerpt: Question for the lefto you believe the FAR left wants to destroy America?

Response: Yes..

The communists have been hiding among the Democrats for generations and used the the educational campus to
indoctrinate resulting in young adults reminiscent today of religious extremists. The left has taken on all anti-American
groups for their voting power but now unfortunately have lost control and these small groups have now worked their way
into White House which was not part of their plan.

There are many bad things one can say about President Donald Trump, and I would agree but one thing I do strongly
believe. He knows what is going on. He knows our country is in serious trouble. He knows that this is a pivotal time
in America as we know it and he is desperately trying to save the United States by taking down this greatest of evils.
All the cards are on the table. The Democrats know it. It is do or die come November. They will not let up...They have
not let up. They would rather bring America to its knees than lose to President Donald Trump......only time will tell...
May God Bless America ....We truly need it...
November 2020 ..... the decision is do we Vote for MOBS or JOBS?
I'm not a fan of Burning, Looting and the deliberate destruction of the History of the United States.
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Old 06-24-2020, 09:29 AM
 
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In your opinion. As a very right leaning conservative that is your perspective.
LOL, you just exposed your bias there. I'm by no means "very right leaning" or even a "conservative".

I think it's pretty clear your bias here, you are suggesting that outright socialists aren't "far left" and that a centrist libertarian such as myself is a "very right leaning conservative".

Those who view the political spectrum as anyone to the right of Marx is "far right", might agree with you, but it's clearly a perspective that is divorced from reality.
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Old 06-24-2020, 09:30 AM
 
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How so? I was asking a question.

I see problems on both sides. I think Trump is horribly unfit for the office. There is a problem with right wing extremism also but the difference is that they do not have as many apologists in the media and among politicians. You really can't tell me with any seriousness that Antifa and right wing extremist groups get treated the same way in our society. They should be condemned on both sides but one side is almost celebrated and apologized for.

Try at little thought experiment...

* Imagine a right wing extremist group setting up an autonomous zone in a major American city for weeks on end.
I think you could put the anti-government militia training camps in this category, although they are a rural, not urban, tribe.
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Old 06-24-2020, 09:33 AM
 
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LOL, you just exposed your bias there. I'm by no means "very right leaning" or even a "conservative".

I think it's pretty clear your bias here, you are suggesting that outright socialists aren't "far left" and that a centrist libertarian such as myself is a "very right leaning conservative".

Those who view the political spectrum as anyone to the right of Marx is "far right", might agree with you, but it's clearly a perspective that is divorced from reality.
Do you disagree with this assessment? If you think a Sanders is far left, what do you call a Mao/Lenin/Trotsky? Ultra extra special far extreme left?
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Old 06-24-2020, 09:33 AM
 
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LOL, you just exposed your bias there. I'm by no means "very right leaning" or even a "conservative".

I think it's pretty clear your bias here, you are suggesting that outright socialists aren't "far left" and that a centrist libertarian such as myself is a "very right leaning conservative".

Those who view the political spectrum as anyone to the right of Marx is "far right", might agree with you, but it's clearly a perspective that is divorced from reality.
I apologize, bobby, I got you wrong. I may be thinking of someone else.

I do not find our politicians on the left (Sanders, AOC, etc) to be "socialists" in any way other than the European model of democratic socialism. Having lived under these governments in Europe for many years, I did not find them dangerous or bent on destroying anything.

My point was, it's a continuum, and those on the far right will find even moderate liberals to be too extreme for their tastes.
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Old 06-24-2020, 09:36 AM
 
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Liberal here.

I'm not sure the far left wants to destroy the US, but they certainly help to do that, just as the far right in this country does. What the US desperately needs, politically speaking, is good hard doses of pragmatism, rationality, and moderation.

But moderation has never been the US's strong suit. It's a land of ideological extremes, and it hurts itself most of all by its refusal to respond calmly to anything.

You guys often complain about the "types" of immigrants the US receives; that they usually come from poor, desperate, war-torn, and/or highly authoritarian countries. You wonder why the US "can't accept" better educated immigrants from countries with cultures more closely aligned with that of the US.

Well, I wonder, "why would people from peaceful, relatively affluent, well-run countries choose the US?" Because the Western world watches in shock the constant drama in the US, and the only people who seem to consider the US some kind of sanctuary are those mostly from countries even more nuts than the US.

And then there are immigrants from stable countries, like me (in my case, Canada) who DID choose to come to the US, but sometimes wonder why the heck we did. Left and right extremism in the US make it an exhausting place to engage with. They both destroy what is, ultimately, a great, wonderful, beautiful country, but one that suffers from serious, chronic illness. America is bipolar.

Did I answer your question?
I appreciate your perspective! I do think that the extreme right and left are the loudest voices but they do not represent the majority of America. I think the majority, on both sides are good people who do not have these extreme views. The problem is the media, on both sides, needs to amp this up to eleven in order to get viewers.
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