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Old 02-05-2019, 05:37 AM
 
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A pretty spot on analysis of the Trump presidency. Rather than being an effective outsider, Trump has proved himself to be an ineffective leader. His perceived successes are solely the work of the GOP controlled Congress. They passed what they wanted to pass. His shrinking base will support him, but is there enough of them left to get him into the White House for a second term?

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-c...mps-presidency

The Shrunken State of Donald Trump’s Presidency

'The Harvard political scientist Richard Neustadt famously remarked that the Oval Office “is no place for amateurs.” This is because, as Neustadt pointed out in his book “Presidential Power and the Modern Presidents,” which was originally published in 1960, the Presidency is, structurally, a weak office. Its occupant has to deal with Congress and the courts as co-equal branches of government. Even inside the sprawling executive branch, it isn’t easy to direct Cabinet secretaries, agency heads, and career public officials, many of whom have their own expertise and agendas. Given this challenging environment, Neustadt concluded, “Presidential power is the power to persuade.” If a President loses the ability to bring other players along with him, he is lost."

...Bingo.
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Old 02-05-2019, 05:39 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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His base is not shrinking much.

His core 37% would still support him if he lit a nun and a little boy on fire on the White House lawn with his arm around his latest fully naked mistress.
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Old 02-05-2019, 05:40 AM
 
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It's uncommon to attack one's own thread in the title!
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Old 02-05-2019, 05:50 AM
 
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It's uncommon to attack one's own thread in the title!
The title wasn’t for his thread, he was prepared for your post.




To the OP: that should’ve been obvious from the onset. Congress and the court have far more power than the president does (when they’re functional). President has always been more a mediator and have to rely on negotion.
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Old 02-05-2019, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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If dealing is the key to success then Trump will be successful. Trump is the greatest deal maker of all time. There is even a book about it.
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Old 02-05-2019, 05:58 AM
 
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Ineffective? Hah! I dont know why y'all are complaining Trump has maintained the wars, the taxes,the debt, the spending, the drug war, the spying etc. maybe its his stance on transgender pottie rooms that has your panties in a bunch?
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Old 02-05-2019, 06:11 AM
 
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The title wasn’t for his thread, he was prepared for your post.




To the OP: that should’ve been obvious from the onset. Congress and the court have far more power than the president does (when they’re functional). President has always been more a mediator and have to rely on negotion.
Read the piece, the author says as much.
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Old 02-05-2019, 06:23 AM
 
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A President who isn't taken seriously is pretty much done." George Conway

Trump has been propped up by Republicans but this is now backfiring on them.

The 2018 elections resulted in a House majority determined to hold hearings, support the Special Counsel investigation, ... Republican attempts to obstruct this process puts them in a bad light.

Trump's shutdown put them in a difficult spot. Republicans supported him as long as they could, but finally had to fold. If he launches another shutdown on the 15th, they're screwed.

If they don't support him, his/their base will view them as collaborators with the "deep state" and turn on them.

If they do support him, the rest of the voting public will view them as Trump collaborators, which is looking increasingly like a poor place to be.

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Old 02-05-2019, 06:27 AM
 
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
A President who isn't taken seriously is pretty much done." George Conway

Trump has been propped up by Republicans but this is now backfiring on them.

The 2018 elections resulted in a House majority determined to hold hearings, support the Special Counsel investigation, ... Republican attempts to obstruct this process are increasingly worthless.

Trump's shutdown put them in a difficult spot. Republicans supported him as long as they could, but finally had to fold. If he launches another shutdown on the 15th, they're screwed.

If they don't support him, his/their base will view them as collaborators with the "deep state" and turn on them.

If they do support him, the rest of the voting public will view them as Trump collaborators, which is looking increasingly like a poor choice.
Looks like a lose-lose situation.

I'm all for an outsider, but it needs to be an outsider who knows basic civics, specifically the separation of powers. Trump hasn't gotten the notion that he can't be the CEO of the US. The SCOTUS, Speaker of the House and Senate Leader share equal powers. Trump can't wrap his head around that.
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Old 02-05-2019, 06:36 AM
 
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A President who isn't taken seriously is pretty much done." George Conway

Trump has been propped up by Republicans but this is now backfiring on them.

The 2018 elections resulted in a House majority determined to hold hearings, support the Special Counsel investigation, ... Republican attempts to obstruct this process are worthless.

Trump's shutdown put them in a difficult spot. Republicans supported him as long as they could, but finally had to fold. If he launches another shutdown on the 15th, they're screwed.

If they don't support him, his/their base will view them as collaborators with the "deep state" and turn on them.

If they do support him, the rest of the voting public will view them as Trump collaborators, which is looking increasingly like a poor place to be.
Yup.

Don't forget. ?Half? the GOP would happily close the federal government forever except for whatever freebies they get which of course are always "earned."
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