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Old 06-30-2020, 12:38 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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This is hyperbole. Honestly in the USA now, there are a lot more opportunities to be financially independent than there ever were. I think what's dying is walking into a job, sitting down at a desk for 35-40 years, and then walking away with a pension. Yeah, that's dying, but that doesn't mean the dream is dead.
However, the middle class has historically not been driven by those types of jobs; mostly blue collar, manufacturing, etc...

What you are describing is a relatively recent occurrence...

If it was difficult back then.. even more so now with even educated people slipping into lower incomes much less blue collar or skilled labor.
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Old 06-30-2020, 01:07 PM
 
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Protest do no good. They're a waste of time, and while it's good for TV and drama, they really don't result in any real change. At best the powers that be will just throw you a bone. For example, if Chauvin gets convicted, that's effectively throwing you a bone. The powers that be will always have a few sacrificial lambs if the natives are getting too restless. Once you get that lamb, people will shut up, quiet down, and go back to their normal lives. This is until another case of police brutality happens.





The reality is protest are really saying one thing "please feel sorry for me". And it's saying "please be nice enough to do what I say". And that's it. That is no way to change your circumstances in this country. There is only 2 ways to make real change in this country




1) Get rich
2) Create a lobby




Ever been to Washington, DC in the last 10 years? Tons and tons of office buildings, and I'm willing to bet a vast majority of them are lobbying firms. They exist for a reason people. Take advantage. Black people should take a note from Gays and Jewish people. Both have huge lobbies in Washington, DC and both get very special treament from the government. This is not a coiencidence.




It's hard to change the narrative about you in this country. Perceptions of blacks being criminals will persist, even if there were no crime in the hood. That's just set in people's mind, and as long as that's what the media portrays, that's how it's going to be.


With that said, you don't have to be treated fairly in this country to get rich in this country. Invest, save, and take a few calculated risk, and you should build a fortune, no matter how the deck i stacked against you. Once you become rich, get about 50 to 100 indepdently wealthy black people. Start a small PAC, and start swaying the political pendulum in your favor.




A lot of people, particularly authoritarian conservatives love to talk about blood, soil, and heritage matter. The reality is that doesn't matter, and has never mattered. What matters is money. America is only America because our forefathers wanted to keep their money and pay less taxes. Civil war was fought for money. Civil rights only happened because there was enough big money and sponsorship behind it. Nothing happens in this country without money being the motive.


Protest are pointless. Money talks.
Protests are very "old school".

If it means being heard - great. Mission accomplished. Now what?

I think we can do more to help ourselves than any white person can do.
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Old 06-30-2020, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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The solution is simple: education

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Prosperous Asian Americans and African immigrants
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Old 06-30-2020, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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The solution is simple: education

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Prosperous Asian Americans and African immigrants



Doesn't sound like you read my original post
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Old 06-30-2020, 02:10 PM
 
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If trying and failing over and over, there is a much deeper issue that can’t be fixed.

You're right. The deeper issue is family structure, or lack of it, learned behavior from a parent, generations of welfare state families. Starts with individuals and works its way to the collective population. And yes it can be fixed.
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Old 06-30-2020, 02:13 PM
 
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Oh!! An OPED !! Must be the truth.
ROFL
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Old 06-30-2020, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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As much as anarchy seems like an overall better system.
The ends don't justify the means.

Anarchists aren't anarchists based on the belief that things will "work out better". Anarchists are anarchists because the social contract is immoral and illogical. Political authority is illegitimate. How you handle your life in a free society, anarchy, isn't necessarily going to be "better". It will just be free. It's not the burden of the anarchist to make your life better or provide answers to so-called problems in order to justify the reality that, again, the social contract/statism is immoral and illogical. No man is above this fact. That's all we are saying.

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Let's be honest, we still live in a world where people have a religious belief in state. And they believe that the state has a moral authority. Anarchist like to approach this as if it's a matter of education. But when you have a belief, education doesn't matter. Their mind will invent scenarios and counter examples. And they will fall back to the most naive version of the state they can. Where the state is virtuous and believe at it's core the intent is just to help people.
It is a matter of education. Anarchy is the default setting of a human being but all of us are indoctrinated with statism throughout our lives. Well, nearly all of us. I do know two members of 2nd generation anarchists (kids in the early 20s) whose parents are friends of mine. There's nothing stopping them from becoming statists at this point in their lives. They have absolutely no interest in it. Nearly all anarchists were once statists. There are very few statists who were once true anarchists.


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The reality is, there is a hack. Or there is a "state" cheat code. Get money, and influence the state. Just imagine, blacks who are underachievers, can't do anything, should go back to Africa, and aren't capable of anything besides begging for welfare, end up taking advantage of this "exploit". Then think what it would do to people's reverence toward the state.
There is no hack, no cheat code. There is no "little bit pregnant". This is why, among us anarchists, the statists we loathe the most are the "libertarians", minarchists, and to a lesser extent conservatives/Republicans.

They actually know some of the principles, understand their logic and morality, and while the ends don't justify the means they also can properly see that the results of non-aggression/free markets are often much more ideal.

The individual bore the collective, regardless if its voluntary or involuntary. The collective didn't bore the individual. That's the starting point. It's natural law. Nothing I can do about it.
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Old 06-30-2020, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Only works if we clone you and make sure belief systems are also replicated.

Humans never were and never will be morally and logically consistent.

In your scenario we get a cross between the gilded age Pinkerton justice, CHAZ and modern Russia.
The Pinkertons were state-sanctioned police, CHAZ is a political organization (anarchy is apolitical), and Russia is a bona fide State.

As always, I don't care if it "works". I'm only here to tell you what is (and make no mistake I don't like it myself a lot of the times).
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Old 06-30-2020, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I'm trying to learn more about the viability of my rights in anarchy. If a factory is poisoning my water or air, what recourse do I have outside of gathering a bunch of people and going to the factory to complain and possibly having a shootout with the factory's hired goons if persuasion fails? I'm hoping the answer isn't that I wouldn't have to worry about the factory in the first place because a fair/strong legal system is something of a prerequisite for advanced economic activity.
What does your contract say?
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Old 06-30-2020, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I'll be waiting on No_Recess's answer to this as well.
And what does your contract say?
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