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Old 07-04-2020, 09:01 AM
 
Location: in my imagination
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Where's travisT? I miss him in these threads.
lol he lives in Seattle doesn't he?
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Old 07-04-2020, 09:10 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Ideally, yes. But we all know there's plenty of dangerous people in every city. Nobody seems to be holding them accountable.
Freedom and Liberty of "other people" is some scary chit, isn't it.
Welcome to America, where your individual natural rights, are not derived from, or dependent on, the U.S. Constitution, which may not be submitted to a vote and are not dependent on the outcome of an election. They are of the most sacred and valuable Rights, as sacred as the Right to private property...and are regarded as inalienable.
In America, YOU ARE NO ONE'S PROPERTY! In America YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO PROTECT ANYONE, NOT EVEN YOURSELF.

In America YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOURSELF AND ONLY YOURSELF. That includes Government too.
Warren v. DC
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Old 07-04-2020, 09:17 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Since you choose to make this a partisan issue, how about listing SPECIFIC ways in which Republicans are trying to keep mental and violent offenders from living among us?
It was not Republican's releasing hardened criminals over a hoax to create chaos, that in the past would have seen the gallows within months of their incarceration..
People have ALL their rights, unless they are incarcerated or dead.
As seen, it is a false sense of security, that government cannot enforce. Seen by people that are banned from weapons, discovered to have many.

There is no such thing as an "Illegal Firearm" Can't be if we truly have the rights we are born with.
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Old 07-04-2020, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Heart of the desert lands
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Well, I've been a gun guy for decades.

I carry a concealed firearm each time I leave the house.

The safety of you and your family is a personal responsibility. The supreme court ruled a few years back that it's not the duty of the police to protect you, despite the bold slogans on the sides of their patrol cars.

BUT...

If you decide to arm yourself, do it responsibly. Get training on safe handling. Go to a local range and practice marksmanship. Know the rules of engagement involved with deadly force.

Good luck.

This, 100% this^


I would add to the OP, get experienced help in choosing the right firearm for you.
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Old 07-04-2020, 09:23 AM
 
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I've never been anything close to a gun guy but I understood the arguments on both sides. I've never owned one but my opinion has always been that if you're gonna get rid of the guns you better find some way to get ALL guns(whether legal or not) or you better leave it alone cus if only criminals can get em that's a recipe for disaster in America. Maybe that's not a problem in other countries where they don't really have guns like that, but if you did that in America you can bet home invasions will go thru the roof.

HOWEVER, now that I've seen the riots and I've seen how in some cases the ONLY THING keeping rioters from attacking the "rich areas" is that they're afraid they'll get shot, I now fully get it. And after seeing that St. Louis couple and the reaction to it, including a nut job prosecutor in STL saying they're gonna look into charging them, I don't know what to think. Sounds like they're saying you're not allowed to protect yourself if someone tries to burn your house down.

I still would like to find ways to keep guns away from anyone mentally ill though. Their should be some penalties if your gun manages to make it to the hands of someone with serious issues IMO.
This is silly. The St. Louis protest going by that house was peaceful. No one was threatening them or their home when they decided to pull out the guns.

Furthermore, much of the fear-mongering about protesters rampaging through the suburbs was right-wing propaganda being spread to bait divide.

In terms of guns themselves, they don't make anyone safer. Any basic statistical analysis of any situation would automatically assign higher risk in a situation with a weapon than in one without. And that's not just in terms of an innocent person not having one and a criminal having one. Just having one in your home raises the risk of death or bodily harm by accidental shooting. It happens literally all the time. People accidentally shoot themselves, family members, their kids, etc. And as Breonna Taylor and many others have found out, being an innocent gun owner doesn't make you safer from incompetent police. The problem with guns is that it gives people the ability to escalate every single situation immediately. And they almost always do.

Now, all that said, you're free to get and own guns if you want, and you can use any ridiculous justification for it.
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Old 07-04-2020, 09:34 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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If this is true, why does Trump have political ads every hour on TV saying Biden has single handedly put more people in jail than anyone else?
Because Biden has fostered legislation that create crimes and take liberty, when NO Life, Liberty, or Property was threatened, harmed or taken. Those laws that keep us safe from ourselves, crap.

Trump, on the otherhand is working to take the power away from Washington DC, and giving it back to us the People.
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Old 07-04-2020, 09:42 AM
 
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They support the death penalty for one!

The Dems are the ones who shut down the mental institutions, oppose the death penalty, release violent criminals, decriminalize many actual crimes, fight for reduced or no sentences, promote early release and want to defund the police.
Does having the death penalty actually stop murder? Because the US still has one of the highest murder rates in the developed world, and certainly in the 1st World despite many other nations within that group not having it.

Have you ever read the history of mental institutions in the US? There is a reason those places began to be shut down. Do you also know that the VAST majority of those people who are labelled "mentally ill" have never committed any crimes and aren't violent? They're not animals. They deserve treatment and a chance at a relatively normal life if possible.

What crimes have Democrats decriminalized or wanted reduced sentences for? Marijuana? Because I do know that most Democrats and liberals would support stronger sentences for things like rape, pedophilia, etc. They would also like to ban the practice of asset forfeiture when there is no proof of a crime. So many police departments, along with the federal government, engage in stealing property and money from people for no wrongdoing.

Except no one really wants to "defund" the police in the way you're suggesting. In most city budgets, police departments are easily one of if not the largest expenses. Police are spending tons of money militarizing themselves unnecessarily rather than engaging with the communities they're supposed to be working with. Police are also generally expected to do far too much. They shouldn't be used as first responders in mental health cases, for example. Or to deal with the homeless. They're simply not trained to handle those people or situations. So yeah, some of the money that currently goes to police departments can be redirected into communities and programs that would help improve the conditions that are most responsible for causing crime in the first place. Cities will still very much have police departments, but their jobs will be much more focused on actual crime instead of trying to handle every single societal issue that can be better addressed in other ways.
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Old 07-04-2020, 09:45 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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if you got rid of all guns, they be making them in backyard shops within 24 hours and they would not be semi auto.
with all the tools backyrad machines have and the designs being on the net, the first gun would be operation within 12 hours of the ban
and those with lathes and mills... 3 hours rushing and no smoke breaks.
What will take time, making my own black powder or gunpowder.

I have to remind myself to stay in mass production mode and not get bored with the task I'm doing(milling uppers, rifling barrels...) and start assembly
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Old 07-04-2020, 09:46 AM
 
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Because Biden has fostered legislation that create crimes and take liberty, when NO Life, Liberty, or Property was threatened, harmed or taken. Those laws that keep us safe from ourselves, crap.

Trump, on the otherhand is working to take the power away from Washington DC, and giving it back to us the People.
Everything you say sounds like a political ad. Full of empty platitudes and talking points, but little in the way of actual substance or policy.

What does it even mean in terms of on-the-ground policy to "take the power away from Washington and give it back to the people"? Can you give specific policy examples where Trump did this?
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Old 07-04-2020, 09:47 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Or, much more easily with 3D printer.
If you want a single shot.
Now a 3D mill(5-axis) is what everyone needs
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