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Old 07-06-2020, 03:32 PM
 
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I was going to read the whole thread, but 5 responses in it is painfully clear some people have NO IDEA how the Electoral College works.

If the ruling had been in place in 2016, Trump would still be president.

It was Democrats in 2016 who were asking Electors to be faithless. This ruling prevents that and is a victory for Democracy and probably Trump.

Perhaps I am simplifying this too much but here's how I read it:


1 A state's populace votes Democrat.

2 The electorates in that state cannot vote Republican. They have to vote Democrat too.

3 If Biden gets 60% of the popular votes he should get enough electorates to put him into the WH.
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Old 07-06-2020, 03:35 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Finally: free and fair presidential elections are a reality in our democracy. WASHINGTON — The 538 people who cast the actual votes for president in December as part of the Electoral College are not free agents and must vote as the laws of their states direct, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Monday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/sup...toral-n1231394
The ruling means things continue as they always have. The looney left loses again.
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Old 07-06-2020, 03:52 PM
 
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So the left can change the laws of their state, and the EC agents will be voting according to what the laws of their state direct. Don't get too excited yet.
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Old 07-06-2020, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Canada
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What is the rationale for “winner gets all the electoral votes” in most of the states? Just curious. I assume that’s one of the reasons a third political party would never get much traction nationally.
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Old 07-06-2020, 04:28 PM
 
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It didn't address that and it remains a stale issue. It didn't address Maine or Nebraska either, which do not follow a state-wide popular vote either. It simply said that it is constitutional for states to require electors to follow the state-wide popular vote. Most states do not require electors to do so at all, although it's accepted practice that they're supposed to.
I haven't read the opinion. What does that mean? Electors can be punished for voting for a candidate other than the one they are pledged to? Or does the state government somehow cast the (non-)electors' votes for them?
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Old 07-06-2020, 04:29 PM
 
Location: los angeles county
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would trump have won if electoral college had voted with the popular vote?

someone gimme the facts
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Old 07-06-2020, 04:33 PM
 
Location: MD
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would trump have won if electoral college had voted with the popular vote?

someone gimme the facts

I don't think this decision would have made any practical difference in any of the elections of the last several decades at least (probably none ever). The closest one was Bush v Gore, and there were no rogue electors that time I believe.
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Old 07-06-2020, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Finally: free and fair presidential elections are a reality in our democracy. WASHINGTON — The 538 people who cast the actual votes for president in December as part of the Electoral College are not free agents and must vote as the laws of their states direct, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Monday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/sup...toral-n1231394


They ruled that a state MAY require its electors to vote for a specified candidate. (And may punish them if they go rogue.)

I think something like 30+ states do bind their electors.

But a state does NOT have to require that its electors be bound.

I can see both sides of this argument, frankly, and I am glad that SCOTUS has weighed in on it. Now we all know what's what.

Last edited by jacqueg; 07-06-2020 at 04:54 PM..
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Old 07-06-2020, 04:46 PM
 
Location: FL
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Most of us don't agree wit the electoral college, but at least now the electors can no longer go rogue and overturn elections just because they feel like it.
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Old 07-06-2020, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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would trump have won if electoral college had voted with the popular vote?

someone gimme the facts
Nationally, Clinton received about 3 million more votes than Trump did. If the US held a national plebiscite for president, Clinton would have won.

But the US does not hold a national plebiscite for president. And it's a known bug/feature of the Electoral College system that the winning candidate can win the office with fewer votes than the losing candidate. This has happened before.

As long as we vote for president by state, this will remain true. So no, unless we get rid of state-by-state voting, I don't think she would have won.

States are assigned electoral votes based on their population. The allocation is adjusted following the national census, which occurs every 10 years.
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