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Come on libs, be at least a little rational in your thought process. You're doing the same thing with the vaccine that you do with any of your other arguments...your way or the highway...those who disagree are terrorists!
Can't you AT LEAST admit that there IS a valid argument AGAINST the taking the vaccine for many people?
Here are some facts:
1. Most people in this county will have a VERY SMALL likelihood of having any major problems with the virus. The survival rate is well over 99.9% now. Most cases are minor or asymptomatic. You likely have WAY LESS than a 1% chance of having any problems at all other than a mild flu symptom, vaxed or not...
2. The vaccine is not fully FDA approved.
3. Natural immunity is a reality for millions of people who aren't vaccinated. Many top doctors believe this is as good or better than artificial immunity. In fact, in countries where they aren't awash in excess vaccine, even the Mayo Clinic says that those who have already had the virus shouldn't be vaccinated!
4. There is ABSOLUTELY a chance that there are unintended long-term side effects from the vaccine. Some simply don't see a .01% chance of having major issues as a worthy trade for that!
Sure, there are also good arguments for taking it too! But CAN'T YOU AT LEAST ADMIT THAT MILLIONS SIMPLY WON'T TAKE IT AND FOR VALID REASONS?!
You have drama queens here talking about unvaccinated people as "public menaces," etc. This shows how little understanding of macro statistics they have, and how whipped up into a frenzy their local viro-dooming politicians have gotten them, and also how crazy they have become wishing for the central government to start overriding personal health decisions and plunge needles into our arms. George Orwell would be impressed!
I thought you're the party of "empathy" and "science?"
Do you get insurance for lightning strikes too? There are pros and cons to the vaccine, there are pros and cons of getting the virus. Don't we all have the right to make those choices and accept those risks on our own?
This is BS. Show me any hospital that is over capacity today.
When cases go up, obviously there will be more people going into hospitals. Duhhhhhh. That doesn't mean the system is collapsing.
over 99% of covid patients in hospitals are unvaccinated. We don't have to have more people going to hospitals. The vaccine works, and everyone suffers because of anti-vaxxers, because of the strain they put on our country. I equate it to people running red lights when driving a car. Even if they THINK no one is coming and they aren't at risk, they are putting other people in harm's way.
I admit there are some rational arguments against taking the vax. Similar to the flu vaccine: in recent years I have gotten the flu vax, but for many years before that I didn't. My thought was, "oh well, if I get the flu it won't kill me". But Covid has killed 20x more people than the flu typically does in a year... just sayin'.
The big problem I have is that most anti-vaxxers are not using rational arguments. They are making this crucial medical decision on the basis of their politics. They may quote the same arguments, but you know that if Republican politicians were pushing the vaccine and democrat politicians were resisting it, they would make the opposite decision. Then there are those that trot out wacky conspiracy theories - The vaccine contains a tracking device, the vaccine will make you sterile, the vaccine will make you magnetic, the vaccine contains poison, etc.
When hospitals stop filling up with unvaxxinated covid patients, I'll start to take the anti-vax movement seriously.
I just posted this in another thread. Look at what is happening around the world.
Countries with very high vaccination rates are also having very high “breakthrough rates”.
Israel:
“Half of the infections in Israel now are among the fully vaccinated, and public health officials are beginning to see signs of more serious disease among them said Sharon Alroy-Preis, the nation’s Director of Public Health Services.”
“There’s no country in the world that has fully vaccinated more of its citizens, by proportion, than Malta has. Over 80% of the adult population is fully vaccinated now—and still it’s not enough to keep COVID at bay.
With case numbers having increased by more than 600% in the past week, the Mediterranean archipelago has become the first country in the European Union to announce a ban on visitors who are not themselves fully vaccinated...”.
(Officials are of course blaming it on unvaccinated tourists...which begs the question, why aren’t the vaccines protecting the Maltese citizens?)
Not all can get a vaccine, but enough can to put this bad bug to rest. The nurse called. They do a last visit before intubation and he’s asked me to come. My heart is in my throat. I don’t want anyone to go through this. Easy fix. Please.
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