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Old 08-28-2020, 08:57 PM
 
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This is what police have to go through... unexpected violent responses from knuckleheads who choose not to follow orders.

The reason their response is violent is because they are put in harms way. Most of them are not looking for trouble.

Bad officers should be held accountable for bad behavior... but so should perpetrators who react violently towards the police. Bad officers and bad perpetrators should be held accountable regardless of race.

Video at the Tweet.

No outrage here

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Old 08-28-2020, 09:15 PM
 
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This is what police have to go through... unexpected violent responses from knuckleheads who choose not to follow orders.

The reason their response is violent is because they are put in harms way. Most of them are not looking for trouble.

Bad officers should be held accountable for bad behavior... but so should perpetrators who react violently towards the police. Bad officers and bad perpetrators should be held accountable regardless of race.

Video at the Tweet.

No outrage here

https://twitter.com/exposinglines/st...31897511620609
In the old days some bigger departments put the rookies in the worst areas of town to give them a wake-up call, so they could learn the ropes on how to survive.

Regardless, people have no clue (even the ones that watch COPS and PD Live) what it is like to deal with violent criminals, drunk and drugged out jerks, crazy kooks, sexual predators, gang members, etc. on a regular basis.
You must develop a think skin and harden up to survive.
The trouble is we are all human beings, and just like a baker, lawyer, or seamstress might have a bad day, so to can cops.

Heck just look at the latest police cam video of how the cops treated George Floyd. This guy was a mess from the very start, and yet the cops treated him with respect and even some empathy. It was only after having to deal with him for so long, and him resisting them every step of the way, did the cops resort to inappropriate behavior and police brutality.
The senior cop who was on his neck was probably fed up and figured he would teach the fool a lesson. A stupid mistake by an otherwise 19 year vetran who had no bad history of abuse up until that fateful day.



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Old 08-28-2020, 09:27 PM
 
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I have yet to hear someone say cops should take no action, whatsoever. The issue is when cops cross lines and don't get punished. The common theme seems to be "just comply with a cop, no matter what if you don't want to get shot". Blind compliance with an authority in all circumstances out of fear of death is a major problem. Excessive violence and shootings by cops is a fairly uniquely American problem in the civilized world. The problem isn't police reacting with violence when necessary. The problem is twofold. Police reacting with violence when it's not needed, and police not being held accountable for mistakes.

In all honesty, that video points of a lack of training by cops. Paying cops more, and requiring more training before joining the police force would go a long way.
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Old 08-28-2020, 10:09 PM
 
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I have yet to hear someone say cops should take no action, whatsoever. The issue is when cops cross lines and don't get punished. The common theme seems to be "just comply with a cop, no matter what if you don't want to get shot". Blind compliance with an authority in all circumstances out of fear of death is a major problem. Excessive violence and shootings by cops is a fairly uniquely American problem in the civilized world. The problem isn't police reacting with violence when necessary. The problem is twofold. Police reacting with violence when it's not needed, and police not being held accountable for mistakes.

In all honesty, that video points of a lack of training by cops. Paying cops more, and requiring more training before joining the police force would go a long way.
What I am saying is that because they are put in life threatening positions in a blink of an eye, and they have to respond violently when circumstances warrant.

The other thing is that people who fault the cops and believe action was unnecessary, make that assumption before finding out all of the facts.

If cops are truly in the wrong, they absolutely should be punished. Which brings me to this... most of the places that let cops of the hook, are the same places run by people for whom the black people voted. They are Democrat run cities, and they let the police off the hook.

And just to be clear - I am for good behavior... not necessarily for the police or the other side.
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Old 08-28-2020, 10:11 PM
 
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Exhibit B - Officer dragged twice after traffic stop.

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Old 08-28-2020, 10:24 PM
 
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I have yet to hear someone say cops should take no action, whatsoever. The issue is when cops cross lines and don't get punished. The common theme seems to be "just comply with a cop, no matter what if you don't want to get shot". Blind compliance with an authority in all circumstances out of fear of death is a major problem. Excessive violence and shootings by cops is a fairly uniquely American problem in the civilized world. The problem isn't police reacting with violence when necessary. The problem is twofold. Police reacting with violence when it's not needed, and police not being held accountable for mistakes.

In all honesty, that video points of a lack of training by cops. Paying cops more, and requiring more training before joining the police force would go a long way.
Just comply with police even if you are completely in the right, the court system will figure it out. You are NEVER going to win arguing with police. The police for the most part have excellent training and do things by the book, it's the bad guys who take matters into their own hands. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Old 08-28-2020, 11:12 PM
 
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The amount of times cops pull their weapons when they don't need to is why police education/training needs to be overhauled. This appears to be a uniquely American problem as almost no other first-world police force has the kinds of issues the U.S. has in this staggering an amount.

Bad officers are too often protected by unions that are way too powerful and by fellow officers that turn the other cheek.

Cops are doing too much. They're overworked. They are the proverbial hammer and everything else is a proverbial nail. Giving poorly-trained people a weapon and putting them in situations they are not prepared for tends to result in violence.

Defund them, move money back into communities to help prevent a lot of these issues in the first place, and get more healthcare workers on calls. I'd rather have a trained professional without a gun helping someone with mental illness.

You do all of that and I absolutely guarantee the rates of police violence will decrease to record lows.

Telling Americans to comply with authoritarianism or else isn't going to win you any friends.
The solution is to take money away from them - so they can be not only overworked, but underpaid as well. You would work well in the Minneapolis City Council.

You are sounding more and more like one of the Marxists.
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Old 08-28-2020, 11:29 PM
 
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The amount of times cops pull their weapons when they don't need to is why police education/training needs to be overhauled. This appears to be a uniquely American problem as almost no other first-world police force has the kinds of issues the U.S. has in this staggering an amount.

Bad officers are too often protected by unions that are way too powerful and by fellow officers that turn the other cheek.

Cops are doing too much. They're overworked. They are the proverbial hammer and everything else is a proverbial nail. Giving poorly-trained people a weapon and putting them in situations they are not prepared for tends to result in violence.

Defund them, move money back into communities to help prevent a lot of these issues in the first place, and get more healthcare workers on calls. I'd rather have a trained professional without a gun helping someone with mental illness.

You do all of that and I absolutely guarantee the rates of police violence will decrease to record lows.

Telling Americans to comply with authoritarianism or else isn't going to win you any friends.
You are so completely wrong on every issue it would be a waste of typing to set you straight. Your solutions are completely ridiclous. Say Yes sir, no sir and go home at night. Police are find, the bad guys are called bad guys for a reason.
You are suggesting revolution, that is the democrat platform, riot and loot will solve everything. Your brainwashing runs too deep for me to cure. You will feel better after four more years of the best president this nation has had in the last 50 years.
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Old 08-29-2020, 07:24 AM
 
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Maybe frame it like a BB or FB referee. They are the authority and you may not like their decision, you comply or get removed from the game. You certain,y don't touch them, or berate them or dis them.

I know there is a difference between getting removed from a game and getting removed from society but the concepts are similar.
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Old 08-29-2020, 07:37 AM
 
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The amount of times cops pull their weapons when they don't need to is why police education/training needs to be overhauled. This appears to be a uniquely American problem as almost no other first-world police force has the kinds of issues the U.S. has in this staggering an amount.

Bad officers are too often protected by unions that are way too powerful and by fellow officers that turn the other cheek. Agreed. So why the demand to dismantle police departments, instead of getting rid of unions? Could it be because lefties love their unions?

Cops are doing too much. They're overworked. They are the proverbial hammer and everything else is a proverbial nail. Giving poorly-trained people a weapon and putting them in situations they are not prepared for tends to result in violence.

Defund them, move money back into communities to help prevent a lot of these issues in the first place, and get more healthcare workers on calls. I'd rather have a trained professional without a gun helping someone with mental illness. This is not a rational solution. What happens when that person with mental illness gets violent? Has a weapon? As for putting money into communities, we're already pouring huge amounts of money into those communities, and things are worse. Until we address the real problems plaguing those communities, all the money in the world will not matter.

You do all of that and I absolutely guarantee the rates of police violence will decrease to record lows. I disagree completely. If you defund cops, and put social workers in their place, police violence will decrease, but violence and crimes will increase.

Telling Americans to comply with authoritarianism or else isn't going to win you any friends.
In every recent case of a police shooting that is leading to the riots, except for one (Breonna Taylor), the incident was the result of a taxpaying citizen calling the cops because a crime had been committed. That's not authoritarianism, that's rule of law. Which we have in this country. Telling Americans that they cannot count on having laws obeyed isn't going to win you any friends.
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