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Old 04-27-2023, 09:27 AM
 
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Maybe something like this will happen regarding how difficult it is to figure out what AR-15's are legal to own in Ca and which are not. I've been wanting to purchase one lately and the more I research the more confused I get.This is one crazy State.
The answer should be “all of them” are legal because they are “firearms”, to which the right to keep and bear cannot be “limited or restricted”, which is the legal definition of the term “infringed” everywhere English is spoken, except apparently in democrat controlled jurisdictions like California.

I think it’s important to highlight the underhanded, disingenuous nature of the democrats behind that abominably unlawful law, insofar as banning all magazines greater than 6 rounds. This covers almost all modern firearms today, with very few exceptions. Even the 113 year old model 1911 semiautomatic pistols typically use magazines that have an 8 round capacity, while the most popular self defense pistols owned today by tens of Millions of people are chambered in 9mm and have 15+ capacity.

In essence, the law served to make almost every law abiding gun owner a criminal for possessing the most popular and widely owned firearms in existence, which constitutes virtual ban on firearms entirely. Similar types of underhanded tactics have been pursued, such as banning ammunition sales, under the ridiculous claim that the 2nd Amendment’s protection’s apply only to the firearms, and not the bullets. This totally exposes the Marxists behind these efforts as frauds and criminals themselves, because their ultimate goal is the total elimination of the 2nd Amendment, by stealth and subversion.

For that gaggle of communists of the 9th Circuit to acknowledge the law to be unconstitutional, only illustrates just how obvious the violation is, and how the law would never have stood up to Supreme Court scrutiny, where it would have certainly gone next, had the 9th not decided as it did.

So this decision of the 9th Circuit may appear to be a miracle akin to pigs growing wings, but I promise you, it has nothing to do with the court legitimately defending constitutional rights. You can take that to the bank.

This was a strategic decision only, for no other reason than to avoid what would have been another guaranteed rebuke of the anti-gun democrats, by the current Supreme Court.

But the greater point nobody talks about is this …. if you and I hypothetically got together to plan a bank robbery, we would be breaking the law by doing so, as that constitutes a “criminal conspiracy”, which is a felony. For two or more people to conspire to commit a criminal act is itself, a criminal action.

So, by definition, anyone who conspires to violate the 2nd Amendment, are indeed guilty of criminal conspiracy, and should be prosecuted. If that took place, it would save California almost overnight, as the vast majority of the democrats destroying that state would be facing imminent incarceration, so that the State’s political system could be repopulated with non-criminal, law abiding representatives.

And by doing so, it would save the entire country, as democrats both at the state and federal level would all fall like dominoes, and their asses would land behind bars …. exactly where every single one of them belong.

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Old 04-27-2023, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA USA
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Do you know what happens when a 5.56 NATO cartridge is used in a gun designed for a .223 cartridge? Do you understand that one is more lethal than the other?
See this;
As a rule, the M16 fires 5.56 NATO. Many AR-15s are chambered for .223/5.56, which means they can use either the NATO rounds or their parent cartridge, the .223 Remington.

The difference is pressure generated, but both rounds have an identical impact signature, in that they both tumble on impact.
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Old 04-27-2023, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA USA
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1) All types of guns are weapons of war. Every type has been used in warfare at one time or another by one army or another.
Full auto, semi auto, bolt action, single shot, revolvers... You name it. But the AR-15 has never been used by any army on the planet.

2) If the Founders intended for only the military to have unlimited ownership of arms, then why did they say " the right of The People shall not be infringed" instead of " the right of the Militia shall not be infringed "?

3) Again, if it was the intention that only people serving in the military had a right to arms, then why are there no historical accounts of them enforcing that interpretation by confiscation of arms from the general populace?
Do you know what a militia is? It is the army of the people who do not have a standing army, but, those people have had training and practice, and a member of a well-regulated militia is, I would think, much less likely to take his militia weapon into a store or office building and open fire on others. Don't you think so?
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Old 04-27-2023, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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See this;
As a rule, the M16 fires 5.56 NATO. Many AR-15s are chambered for .223/5.56, which means they can use either the NATO rounds or their parent cartridge, the .223 Remington.

The difference is pressure generated, but both rounds have an identical impact signature, in that they both tumble on impact.
True, I particularly buy my rifles that way to have that capability........but how many people or a percentage of the population know that, know to look for that? Know that just because it says one does not mean it says both?
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Old 04-27-2023, 10:19 AM
 
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See this;
As a rule, the M16 fires 5.56 NATO. Many AR-15s are chambered for .223/5.56, which means they can use either the NATO rounds or their parent cartridge, the .223 Remington.

The difference is pressure generated, but both rounds have an identical impact signature, in that they both tumble on impact.
Every modern rifle round is prone to tumbling on impact as velocity decreases.

Firing 5.56 ammo in an AR chambered for .223 yields ~10,000 PSI overpressure that's bad on many levels. Firing .223 ammo in an AR chambered for 5.56 NATO yields low pressure and decreased performance.

.223 and 5.56 NATO most certainly do not have identical ballistic nor "impact signatures."


A simple explanation.
https://www.hornadyle.com/resources/...rem-ammunition
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Old 04-27-2023, 10:27 AM
 
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Do you know what a militia is? It is the army of the people who do not have a standing army, but, those people have had training and practice, and a member of a well-regulated militia is, I would think, much less likely to take his militia weapon into a store or office building and open fire on others. Don't you think so?
Your argument here is as irrelevant as it is false, in both nature, and logical construct.

First, you make assumptions of some type of expert training given to the average American colonist comprising the various militias of those times … when the truth is, such training typically consisted of father teaching son how to handle, load, aim, fire and maintain the weapons they owned.

But the more important disconnect with reality here can be found in the insinuation that the lack of such expert “training” produces a greater threat to safety, which by inference suggests that training offers safety benefits, when the complete opposite would be the more likely result.

I would contend that anyone of sound mind, and a basic grasp of common sense would prefer that a mentally ill person intending to murder people be as poorly trained, inefficient and ineffective as possible, should they decide to go on a shooting rampage. The very last thing you should desire would be for the potential mass shooter to be “well trained”, making him more efficient and effective in his quest to kill as many people as possible, in the shortest amount of time possible.

This is such a basic common sense thing, it shouldn’t require explaining. But it does illustrate why we cannot allow modern opinions to overrule established law, because such opinions fail the basic tests of rationality and common sense.
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