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Old 04-25-2023, 02:55 PM
 
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Where, in this statement; A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. do you see anything about protection from crime? This statement does not say that every Tom, Dick, and Harry can have a weapon and ammo designed for war, AR-15, in their own possession. Do you see that part about: A well-regulated Militia? This whole 2nd Amendment BS is just that, BS!

Being mad does not overcome the historical and logical holes in your argument.

1. A well regulated militia does not mean what you think it means........courts decided as much and the founders wrote it out long ago.

2. The civilian AR-15 isn't a firearm designed for war. No rational warrior would take an AR into battle over any of dozens of legit military select-fire weapons.
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Old 04-25-2023, 02:58 PM
 
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The only weapon, magazine, ammo, powder, or anything else the Second Amendment applies to is a musket, because that was the only weapon there was when the Second Amendment was written.
Wrong again.
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Old 04-25-2023, 03:05 PM
 
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Where, in this statement; A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. do you see anything about protection from crime? This statement does not say that every Tom, Dick, and Harry can have a weapon and ammo designed for war, AR-15, in their own possession.
Umm, that's EXACTLY what it says.

"Since X is true, the right or ordinary people to own and carry guns and other such weapons cannot be taken away or restricted."

No government in the U.S. is allowed to make ANY laws that restrict or take away your right to own and carry. Period.

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Do you see that part about: A well-regulated Militia?
Yep. It explains WHY the right cannot be taken away or restricted.

But even if somebody proved somehow that a well-regulated militia is NOT necessary to the security of a free state, it would not change the command of the 2nd in the slightest. Government STILL couldn't make any laws that infringe the right to KBA.

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This whole 2nd Amendment BS is just that, BS!
I agree with you. This 2ndA BS is indeed BS.

But the 2nd amendment isn't what created the BS. Far-left posters who frantically misinterpret the meaning of the 2nd to try to salvage their failed agenda, are doing that.... BMW R1100.
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Old 04-25-2023, 03:06 PM
 
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Where, in this statement; A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. do you see anything about protection from crime? This statement does not say that every Tom, Dick, and Harry can have a weapon and ammo designed for war, AR-15, in their own possession. Do you see that part about: A well-regulated Militia? This whole 2nd Amendment BS is just that, BS!
This has been explained many times, I am sorry that you cannot understand it.
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Old 04-25-2023, 03:08 PM
 
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The only weapon, magazine, ammo, powder, or anything else the Second Amendment applies to is a musket, because that was the only weapon there was when the Second Amendment was written.
Thomas Jefferson owned a semi-auto rifle.
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Old 04-25-2023, 03:30 PM
 
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Where, in this statement; A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. do you see anything about protection from crime? This statement does not say that every Tom, Dick, and Harry can have a weapon and ammo designed for war, AR-15, in their own possession. Do you see that part about: A well-regulated Militia? This whole 2nd Amendment BS is just that, BS!
Well, currently, the Constitution, and law are on our side, so....you'd be wrong.
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Old 04-25-2023, 03:59 PM
 
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Actual Question: If the USA were fighting for independence TODAY - and the Bill of Rights were written by the same folks - do you think they would say, "Muskets Only" - or would everything we have be protected?



Now - think farther ahead. In the future - laser guns will happen. May star wars-like sabers and star-trek like phasers. Weapons you cannot conceive of even in science fiction. They will happen. Will they then be protected by the 2nd A? You betcha.


Do you think the writers of the 2nd A. couldn't conceive of a weapon that fired more often than a musket? Surely they could at least imagine such a thing - especially since the Puckle Gun existed at the time. Maybe they didn't use one or have one or see one - but clearly they could "imagine" such a thing - since it already existed - and yet it was not excluded from the 2nd A.


[The] governor [is] constitutionally the commander of the militia of the State, that is to say, of every man in it able to bear arms." Thomas Jefferson.

Seems like Militia means me and you.
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Old 04-25-2023, 04:05 PM
 
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Where, in this statement; A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. do you see anything about protection from crime? This statement does not say that every Tom, Dick, and Harry can have a weapon and ammo designed for war, AR-15, in their own possession. Do you see that part about: A well-regulated Militia? This whole 2nd Amendment BS is just that, BS!
Why the hell are you posting in a thread that has been dormant for 3 years? Bored?
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Old 04-25-2023, 04:09 PM
 
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Where, in this statement; A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. do you see anything about protection from crime? This statement does not say that every Tom, Dick, and Harry can have a weapon and ammo designed for war, AR-15, in their own possession. Do you see that part about: A well-regulated Militia? This whole 2nd Amendment BS is just that, BS!
Why did you resurrect this?
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Old 04-25-2023, 05:23 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The only weapon, magazine, ammo, powder, or anything else the Second Amendment applies to is a musket, because that was the only weapon there was when the Second Amendment was written.
Take a history class. There were multiple repeating firearms created before that document was.
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