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Old 08-30-2020, 02:59 PM
 
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Principia Scientific International
Published on August 30, 2020


A majority of rational people have suspected governments were manipulating & hoaxing the deaths "from" the Kung Flu 1984.
No one expected to ever see the full extent of the fraud that has only now become apparent.
The CDC’s own data is very clear. Just six percent of officially deaths with Kung Flu 1984 were FROM Kung Flu 1984.


https://principia-scientific.com/fin...-from-covid19/



Hoaxed to set a false narrative, to affect an election and cause complete chaos and destruction of lives.

Remember.... The end justifies the means, to Marxism.
The entire world?

Do you know or can you find how someone can die 'just from Covid 19' without causing some major organ dysfunction?
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Old 08-30-2020, 03:05 PM
 
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While your assumption might be correct, every day is precious to most people, and they are hoping to buy time to see a graduation, birth, marriage, fulfill a bucket list dream, take care of an ailing spouse, etc.
It's a little hard to attend graduations or weddings when they're either cancelled outright or conducted on Zoom. Those "precious days" are being denied ALL of us, young or old, healthy or sick. And isn't it a little difficult to cross-off items from one's bucket list, when the national parks are closed, the museums are closed, flights are cancelled, passports are rejected, and the entire national consciousness is one of hunkering down - for an indeterminate time - for an indeterminate reason?!

We're told that the typical incubation-period, from initial infection to death, is around 30 days. Well then... aren't those 30 days, or at least the first half, just a little more precious than an indeterminate number of days, spent hunkering down?

And pray tell: of those who are older and more vulnerable, how many are going to die of causes unrelated to Covid, missing those graduations and weddings and births, checking-off nothing from their bucket list, in listless waiting... waiting and waiting, as the months threaten to bleed into years?
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Old 08-30-2020, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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It says that over 1 in 20 people who died from COVID were in perfect health. That is pretty scary actually.
I suppose if you were able to claim that, it would be true. Now, if it were 1 in 20 people under 70, you'd be on to something.

Instead, COVID deaths are:

91% of age 55 and above
78% age 65+
57% age 75+
31% age 85+

or ....

2% of the population accounts for 31% of the deaths
7% accounts for 57%
16% accounts for 78%!
and finally, 29% of the entire population accounts for 91% of the deaths.

or ...

if you're under 55, then you've had a 0.006% of dying from COVID thus far. Otherwise put as - if you filled Michigan Stadium with folks under 55, then 6 of them have died from the virus that has otherwise changed the life of 330MM people.
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Old 08-30-2020, 03:45 PM
 
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There are approximately 20 million college students in the US. 1% is 200,000. That's about how many die in that age group from COVID.

Roll the dice. Send your 18 year old to college. No doubt they will wear a mask, social distance and be safe at all times.
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Old 08-30-2020, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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You either just don’t get it or you’re being deliberately obtuse. I was going to ask which is it but at this point I couldn’t care less what you lefties think.
No it just makes no damn sense. The Covid death count is only a conspiracy because people want to say it isn't as big of a problem as it is. Honestly I think the ones that think deaths are lower or hospitals are paid based on Covid deaths are the obtuse ones, but that's neither here nor there.
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Old 08-30-2020, 04:06 PM
 
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I am sad for all the people who don't understand math or probability or logic or the reality that tens of thousands of people die every day from all causes, many of which are to some degree preventable.
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Old 08-30-2020, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Since we're now 6 months in - with 600K annual deaths, more people have died from heart disease than all COVID counted deaths in the last 6 months.
The year is not over for COVID-19.

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I suppose if you were able to claim that, it would be true. Now, if it were 1 in 20 people under 70, you'd be on to something.

Instead, COVID deaths are:

91% of age 55 and above
78% age 65+
57% age 75+
31% age 85+

or ....

2% of the population accounts for 31% of the deaths
7% accounts for 57%
16% accounts for 78%!
and finally, 29% of the entire population accounts for 91% of the deaths.

or ...

if you're under 55, then you've had a 0.006% of dying from COVID thus far. Otherwise put as - if you filled Michigan Stadium with folks under 55, then 6 of them have died from the virus that has otherwise changed the life of 330MM people.
Why choose age 55? Why exclude those between 55 and 65? Life expectancy at age 65 for a US male is about 18 years and for a female about 20 years. Twenty percent of COVID-19 deaths in the US are under age 65. It turns out that COVID-19 on average steals about ten years of life expectancy, adjusted for comorbidities.

https://wellcomeopenresearch.org/articles/5-75

"Using the standard WHO life tables, YLL [years of life lost] per COVID-19 death was 14 for men and 12 for women. After adjustment for number and type of LTCs [long term conditions], the mean YLL was slightly lower, but remained high (13 and 11 years for men and women, respectively). The number and type of LTCs led to wide variability in the estimated YLL at a given age (e.g. at ≥80 years, YLL was >10 years for people with 0 LTCs, and <3 years for people with ≥6).

Note that even at age 80 with multiple comorbidities COVID-19 is not killing people who were already dying.
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Old 08-30-2020, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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The year is not over for COVID-19.



Why choose age 55? Why exclude those between 55 and 65? Life expectancy at age 65 for a US male is about 18 years and for a female about 20 years. Twenty percent of COVID-19 deaths in the US are under age 65. It turns out that COVID-19 on average steals about ten years of life expectancy, adjusted for comorbidities.

https://wellcomeopenresearch.org/articles/5-75

"Using the standard WHO life tables, YLL [years of life lost] per COVID-19 death was 14 for men and 12 for women. After adjustment for number and type of LTCs [long term conditions], the mean YLL was slightly lower, but remained high (13 and 11 years for men and women, respectively). The number and type of LTCs led to wide variability in the estimated YLL at a given age (e.g. at ≥80 years, YLL was >10 years for people with 0 LTCs, and <3 years for people with ≥6).

Note that even at age 80 with multiple comorbidities COVID-19 is not killing people who were already dying.
Thank you. Most of these so called experts on Covid think it only hits the elderly hard. It doesn't. Most of these so called experts think it only hits those not elderly with comorbidities. It doesn't. The truly scary thing is don't truly know what the case is for people in the years to come that are the recovered cases. You know, the young people who are "not effected by Covid-19."
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Old 08-30-2020, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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IMO excess deaths are a relatively good approximation.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ess_deaths.htm
The problem with the excess deaths count now though is how many of those would have been treated had we not been so focused on some new virus with "no treatment?" Meaning a year ago, when you had these same symptoms, you got a steroid and an antibiotic. But show up to an ER, urgent care, or public clinic, and now you're given a good luck wish.
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Old 08-30-2020, 06:10 PM
 
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The problem with the excess deaths count now though is how many of those would have been treated had we not been so focused on some new virus with "no treatment?" Meaning a year ago, when you had these same symptoms, you got a steroid and an antibiotic. But show up to an ER, urgent care, or public clinic, and now you're given a good luck wish.
People putting off preventatives and necessary medical follow ups. That will end up as some future excess deaths. But right now most ER's and hospitals can tend to serious medical emergencies other than Covid 19.
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