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The CDC silently updated their numbers this week to show that only 6% of all coronavirus deaths were related to the coronavirus alone.
For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.
These 2 lines are in your quote, and they are not the same.
The first is fantasy, the second is a fact. An interesting fact, but not very useful, unless as here presented to obfuscate, confuse or otherwise distract.
The second line means that Covid 19 was the only diagnosis written on the death certificate.
Only thing is, you don't die from the virus per se, you die from a complication due to the virus infection.
And death certificates are designed to show this. That is the actual progression to death.
Line 1 - Immediate cause of death.
Line 2 - Antecedent cause(s).
Line 3 - Other medical conditions present at the time of death.
Covid 19 would most typically be placed on line 2. Line 1 would most commonly be Respiratory failure.
If it is on line 3, then Covid 19 was present, but not clinically important concerning the death.
So if the attending doc is lazy, or if the ME fills out the death certificate without enough history, then Covid 19 ends up alone on line 1.
I couldn't tell you how many times our ME sent me back the death certificate to amend in this fashion! (other deaths, not Covid 19)
So IMO as a recently retired internist, signing death certificates since 1976, the 6% mentioned represents this small portion of lazy documentation.
The vast majority of conventionally reported Covid 19 deaths are legitimate.
How exactly I wonder is this lockdown being weaponized as some are saying. Is the idea just to simply make things hard for people with the intent of somehow tying it to Trump? I'm just curious of nuts and bolts details of how this is supposed to work.
I'm not saying that it isn't being used for political leverage, but I think that if it comes out that people are using this that it's going to blow up in people's faces and not go the way think it is or plan on.
I have neither the taste nor the evidence to defend Trump partisans who regard the coronavirus-response as some sinister conspiracy against Trump. Nevertheless, it emphatically seems to me, that as time advances and society gets more complex, the rapacity of the Security State - in every country, in every form of government - becomes more and more oppressive.
Actually, security and safety go together. Both are attempts to forestall or to mitigate danger, be it from human behavior or natural causes. In both cases, we are being monitored, restricted, corralled, cosseted, or minded in various ways. Wear this, carry that, register here, observe such-and-such, obey, obey, obey. To do anything less, is regarded as being anti-social, and a puerile and dumb failure to accede to the most basic imperatives of civilized society.
The lockdown is being "weaponized" to create a more "modern" society, of what's liltingly termed civic virtue or social responsibility or good citizenship. The good citizen is first and foremost mindful of his fellow Man, and rises above narrowly personal interests. The good citizen is patient, amiable, willing to sustain some minor personal indignity in favor of the "greater good". The good citizen is easy to govern.
The lockdown is most severe in places like Australia... vast countries of low population density, which have nothing to do with Trump or BLM or the 2nd Amendment or abortion or slavery-reparations or the Green New Deal... nothing to do with the "wedge issues" that so dominate the American evening news. So, no, it's not about Trump or angry Democrats or angry Republicans. But it is about Leviathan, the ever-growing, ever-rapacious state.
No one is saying those numbers are a lie. The point is that those who died are some of the sickest among us - not so much healthy folks. We didn’t need to shut everyone in, just the elderly and those with chronic conditions.
Given this new data, we should be fully reopening for those places that have t yet, and we need to get our kids back to in-person learning.
The majority of working-age people in this country have chronic conditions. Just so you know now you know. And they would not have died from those chronic conditions if it were not for a covid-19. For instance if somebody has diabetes and has it well controlled and they are not near death at all but covid comes and takes them out then yes it was a covid-19 death. Try not to be stupid
I tried to bring this up months ago, with an actual table from the CDC. It outlined deaths from Covid only, and deaths with other conditions. The screaming, fear mongering mask nazis argued about it, like the idiots that they are.
But don't expect jack all from them, they hate admitting when they're wrong.
People who are overweight, have asthma, diabetes are not necessarily sick or dying. But if they get covid and they die The covid cause their death. I don't get why people are being deliberately obtuse about this.
I mean, if we're going with the "logic" on display here... HIV just drops the body's defenses, but you don't actually die from HIV - you die from your body not being able to fight off something else.
And guess what: When COVID-19 puts your body under extreme stress, some other underlying malignity that your body had well under control may pop up and take its chance to take you out.
Statistically, the US has seen a bump of about 200,000 additional deaths. About 180K were people testing positive for COVID. (Those are, y'know, facts.) Now go pretend it's all a big conspiracy, but - you're moving into flat-earth territory. Just sayin'.
Lol really. Either people are stupid and don't realize this or are just being deliberately obtuse.
Are people whom already had underlying conditions...
NOTE: I am posting this in the political forum since COVID has become ultra politicized.
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So....everything we have been doing--locking down cities and countries, businesses, collapsing the economy across the world, having mask wars, "social distancing"--have pretty much been all for naught.
It also kind of doesn't matter. No matter how much data exposing the TRUTH of this virus surfaces, many are too invested. Too invested in the fear mongering, too invested in the lies, too invested emotionally in this virus. For them to let go of all that would ruin everything they thought they knew, would shatter this whole image of this virus they thought it was. Too much effort has gone into the moral superiority and the feeling of "saving lives" that they'll be damned that they have been played this long.
Welp! Keep believing the lies folks! 99% survival rate for healthy people, 94% of those whom died have underlying conditions, the vast majority of people are elderly. Yet, many of you want to act as if this virus kills indiscriminately and even some of you make EXCEPTIONS for certain groups (BLMtifa) for when they gather in large groups.
Lets continue to wait for a vaccine whilst our thumbs up our butts and continue to kill the economy.
The majority of people in this country have underlying conditions. Many people are overweight and would not die from that. But covid-19 can take them out even though they could have lived another 50 to 60 years
Has anyone actually validated the excess deaths? Like are there these extra 200k or whatever, from actual death certificates? Or are places just calling up the cdc and reporting a number?
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The majority of people in this country have underlying conditions. Many people are overweight and would not die from that. But covid-19 can take them out even though they could have lived another 50 to 60 years
It's not about simply having a condition, it has to be a serious condition. "High blood pressure" can just mean a BP of 130 over 90 but it doesn't suddenly make it potentially lethal if you catch a bad cold.
When calculating 'excess deaths' do the CDC and others take into account any 'excess deaths' from accidents, drug OD's, homicides and suicides, etc. and subtract that total from the COVID-19 number ?
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