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Trump is anti-American. He doesn't pay US taxes, he censors the information we need (COVID), and he wants 20 million of US citizens to go without healthcare.
For a supposed educated healthcare professional - I question how you ever got your license and it's a good thing we don't use real names here because I would contact the board. The person who posted this - if indeed a parent is a threat to their kids and you a threat to patients with the crazy talk.
Organization Name: Proud Boys
Date Founded: 2016
Location: New York City, New York
Ideology: General Hate
Description: Their disavowals of bigotry are belied by their actions: rank-and-file Proud Boys and leaders regularly spout white nationalist memes and maintain affiliations with known extremists. They are known for anti-Muslim and misogynistic rhetoric. Proud Boys have appeared alongside other hate groups at extremist gatherings like the "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville. Indeed, former Proud Boys member Jason Kessler helped to organize the event, which brought together Klansmen, antisemites, Southern racists, and militias. Kessler was only “expelled” from the group after the violence and near-universal condemnation of the Charlottesville rally-goers.
People are not allowed to commit violent acts, destroy property, or violate any other rights of their fellow citizens. This is what the left is accused of.
These are not equivalent. As much as the left says "speech is violence", it is not and never will be. One is constitutionally protected, and the other is against the law. Apples and oranges.
This is not just what "the left is accused of". Right now, in this thread and during the debate, this is also what the Right is accused of. Both the left and right have extremist, militant hate groups. To say otherwise is disingenuous.
While Antifa is not designated as a far left hate group or a militant extremist group I believe it is.
Proud Boys on the other hand is designated as a right wing hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.
The Proud Boys do commit violent acts, a couple are shown here where a Proud Boys Member discharges a firearm around Protesters, physical altercations etc.:
The above video addressed two things you (and it would seem others who support Trump) are dancing around:
1. Proud Boys is an extremist, militant hate group that commits violent acts and violates the rights of fellow citizens.
2. The President was given the opportunity and had multiple attempts to condemn this hate group and to condemn all White Supremacist and militant groups, both after Biden stated that criminals should be prosecuted and when Trump was directly asked by the moderator to condemn these groups.
Lets please stop dancing around the issue.
Did Trump condemn violence during the debate in his response time after Biden condemned criminals during his response time?
Did Trump condemn the militant group when asked to condemn white Supremacist and militant groups directly?
Did Trump condemn the Proud Boys when Trump asked "give me one" and Proud Boys was given to him as a name of a militant extremist group?
I'm not talking about if he is "willing to", I am talking about actually doing it during the debate, live and unscripted, where no teleprompter was present.
If he did not, what did Trump say instead?
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Where's the part where they state which colors to hate ? Not really sure what the last two mean, but after visiting this page, they seem like a bit hipsterish and cringeworthy.
Proud Boys‘ values center on the following tenets:
Minimal Government
Maximum Freedom
Anti-Political Correctness
Anti-Drug War
Closed Borders
Anti-Racial Guilt
Anti-Racism
Pro-Free Speech (1st Amendment)
Pro-Gun Rights (2nd Amendment)
Glorifying the Entrepreneur
Venerating the Housewife
Reinstating a Spirit of Western Chauvinism
The Proud Boys emerged as part of the alt-right, but McInnes began distancing himself from the alt-right in early 2017, saying the alt-right's focus is race while his focus is what he defines as "Western values." This re-branding effort intensified after the Unite the Right rally.
Bill Barr, DOJ nor the FBI have not classified BLM as a terror organization. There is NO evidence that BLM has sponsored any violent attacks. It's true some of the early co-founders of BLM self-identified as Marxist but the BLM movement has shown no interest in promoting communism or socialism. Their focus is on their view of racial justice.
Being anti-Fascist has nothing to do with being anti-capitalist.
Fascism is a meaningless term. It is even more poorly defined than communism. That makes it a convenient enemy since its flexibility can be applied to anyone one does not like.
What it really was in its early manifestation was just collectivist ideology that embraced hierarchy instead of equality. The one virtue fascism has is that its consistent , and therefor actually possible, hence the oft used phase "some people are more equal than others" to lampoon the communist utopia. You can create a fascist state, I have never seen an actual communist state that can be differentiated from fascism.
Capitalism is quite the opposite of the concept of blood and soil. It does not care who you are , just what you can provide. It also has nothing to do with soil ,in the tradition classical economic sense. Capital was simply just stored labor. Now however with the veneer of crony capitalism using rent seeking enforced by da guberment , there is a fascist element to the forced hierarchy and privilege endemic to fascism as it was know. A toll booth economy of access charges is definitely one of soil, and the nepotism that goes along with it is certainly blood. However most of it is the result of da guberment. They enforce the access charges.
What is the basis for the accusations against these people as a "racist group"
They are protecting businesses and property...that the police will not or can not protect...against Antifa and BLM rioters and looters...of all colors
...and that gives the left the excuse they need to call them racist
If you're against...or try to stop....BLM rioters and looters....you're racist...just like the left defines anyone that's against this rioting, looting, and this destruction
Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake >
"“I made it very clear that I work with the police and instructed them to do everything that they could to make sure that the protesters were able to exercise their right to free speech,” Rawlings-Blake said. “It’s a very delicate balancing act. Because while we try to make sure that they were protected from the cars and other things that were going on,
we also gave those who wished to destroy.... space to do that as well.
And we worked very hard to keep that balance and to put ourselves in the best position to de-escalate.”
Here's the thing Finn, who cares ? You want to label anyone that voted or supports Trump as the same people as these alleged "white supremacists" ....have at it.
All? No, we have plenty of conservatives who condemn violence.
Well, Trump is not a conservative, which might explain why he associates with extremists, and when he does it, his loyalists follow suit, which is what you are seeing here.
How about you? Will you denounce them, or continue to defend them, and the violence?
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Using your logic....I'm also a legal firearms owner, so you can align me with all the people that commit crimes, or trophy hunt.
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He did, and added that Trump's FBI say they are not an organization, which is true.
No he did not. He never said their name in connection with the violence they are committing. Stop lying.
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